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Countdown to a Letdown--aka Jazz trade deadline 2014

Has there ever been a trade deadline without a trade?

I'm guessing not. The fact that there isn't much rumbling and mumbling signifies the usual crowd isn't in the mix. That means a trade has to happen and it's going to be a quiet player, The Utah Jazz.
 
With the lack of movement and considering the uncertainty in the NBA trade market, the trade with Golden State for two unprotected firsts was completely genius (weren't there some seconds two?). We might not get something for RJ, but if we did that would be just greedy (although awesome!) We have already won the trade war. If we get something further that would be great, but not necessary to have made the year's trade balance be an overwhelming success. Also, if you are pro-tank, how can you hate on RJ who helps the tank, but isn't an obvious "play the cheerleader" move like playing JL3 would be.
It just appears to me that some people like to gripe and complain. . .
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I don't see how Marvin is anywhere close to untradeable. His contract isn't that overpaid, and it only has a half-year left. If a team is interested in signing him next year, then trading for him now will give you the inside tract of retaining him for cheap.

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How does trading for him now give a team an advantage of retaining him for cheap? He's an unrestricted FA. Are you suggesting he'd automatically give someone a "hometown discount?"

What makes him virtually untradeable is his contract. Not too many contenders have bad contracts/disposable player(s) making $7.6M (or roughly that to fit within the CBA trade rules). I checked every playoff contender. There are only a handful where you could make a match with a) players not part of their core rotation; b) some combination of salaries that fit. Beyond that, you then have to consider the need of those teams and if other similar or better players are available on the market.

Indiana - Danny Granger $14M. Is MW or RJ an upgrade?
Miami - Haslem $4.3M (2 yr); Battier $3.3M.
Toronto - Salmons $7.6M (2 yrs), Fields $6.3M (2 yrs), Lowry $6.2M, Hayes $5.7M (2 yrs), Novak $3.8M (3 yrs).
Atlanta - Elton Brand $4M, several others at $1M+. Getting L. Williams at $5.2M (2 yr) would require additional assets.
Chicago - Boozer $15.3M (2 yrs), Gibson $7.6M (4 years), Hinrich $4M, Dunleavy $3.2M (2 years)
Washington - Vesely $3.3M, Seraphin $2.8M, Booker $2.4M
Brooklyn - No one.
Charlotte - Gordon $13.2M,
New York - Stoudemire - $22M (2 years), J.R. Smith $5.6M (3 years)
Detroit - Villanueva $8.6M, Jerebko $4.5M (2 yrs)
Cleveland - Clark $4.3M (2 years), Gee $3.3M (2 years)


Oklahoma City - Perkins $8.7M (2 years), Sefolosha $3.9M, Collison $2.6M (2 years).
San Antonio - Diaw $4.7M, Bonner $3.9M.
Portland - Robinson $3.5M (3 years), Wright $3M (2 years)
LA Clippers - Dudley $4.3M (3 years), Barnes $3.3M (4 years)
Houston - No one. Asik $8.4M (2 years). Asking price has been very high.
Phoenix - Emeka Okafor $14.5M
Golden State - Speights $3.5M (3 years). Trade exceptions, but no 1st round pick.
Dallas - Dalembert $3.7M (2 years), Ellington $2.7M (2 years)
Memphis - Prince $7.2M ( 2 yrs), Koufos $3.0 (2 yrs)
Minnesota - Mbah a Moute $4.6M (3 yrs).
Denver - Miller $5M (2 yrs), Mozgov $4.4M (3 yrs), Arthur $3.2M (2 yrs), Foye (NO!!!!!) $3M (3 yrs)
LA Lakers - Blake $4M, Kaman $3.2M


WE can say "trade him to Charlotte (or Detroit or Memphis)" all we want, but it takes a willing party on the other end. And from what I've heard, there are a ton of sellers and not many teams wanting to buy.
 
framer said:
With the lack of movement and considering the uncertainty in the NBA trade market, the trade with Golden State for two unprotected firsts was completely genius (weren't there some seconds two?). We might not get something for RJ, but if we did that would be just greedy (although awesome!) We have already won the trade war. If we get something further that would be great, but not necessary to have made the year's trade balance be an overwhelming success. Also, if you are pro-tank, how can you hate on RJ who helps the tank, but isn't an obvious "play the cheerleader" move like playing JL3 would be.
It just appears to me that some people like to gripe and complain. . .
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Agree. It would have been nice to "double-dip" and get yet another asset for RW, Rush or Biedrins. Already got a return on those 3.
Trade Marvin and the minutes go up for Kanter, Evans and perhaps Gobert. How many extra games do we lose because of that?
Even IF a trade partner could be found for RJ, like you said, he's really not hurting the tank. Deduct Jefferson and Burks plays more, offset by whoever comes over in a deal and/or Clark, Evans or Thornton getting some burn at SG/SF.
 
Core4 said:
WE can say "trade him to Charlotte (or Detroit or Memphis)" all we want, but it takes a willing party on the other end. And from what I've heard, there are a ton of sellers and not many teams wanting to buy.
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Marvin would be a definite upgrade over 33 year old Prince. If you're Memphis, sitting one and a half games out of the playoffs it makes sense. Memphis is the 5th worse 3PT team shooting wise, and last in attempts. Marvin fits the bill to play some SF and PF for them. The price they have to pay for us taking on Prince's 7.7 next year is their first round draft pick. It will be in the 13-18 range. If they can't move Prince it really handicaps them next year, they are over the salary cap and have no room for improvement with Gasol, Randolph, and Conley's contracts taking up the lion's share. Adding Marvin lets them resign a decent player that would salary wise be impossible next year if he was a UFA.
 
^^I agree Jazz4ever. This is one of the few deals that would make sense. But a) Memphis might be able to do better elsewhere; b) a rookie in this draft may be FAR better than a vet (whether it be Marvin or someone else) that they can get with their exception. And in the end does it really matter for Memphis to make the playoffs? Get in, get pounded by OKC and end up with a pick in the 20's (there would be 5-6 EC playoff teams with worse records than Memphis if they were to pass GS). Miss and have a chance at picking up a very good player.

At the very least, if I'm the Memphis GM, I lottery protect the pick. Getting a 1-yr rental - who may or may not re-sign - isn't worth it otherwise. And in that case, then the deal isn't all that great for the Jazz. A pick in the low 20's is a role-player. Jazz are better off having cap space in the summer to either sign a better FA than what they would have in Prince on the bench, or use their cap room to facilitate trades.
 
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Core4 said:
^^I agree Jazz4ever. This is one of the few deals that would make sense. But a) they might be able to do better elsewhere; b) a rookie in this draft that they can get in the 13-18 range may be FAR better than a vet (whether it be Marvin or someone else) that they can get with their exception.
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The MLE is only 5.2 and 500k of that is already going to Jamaal Franklin. So about 4.7 million to land a player of Marvin's caliber is unlikely for them. A rookie doesn't coincide with their core windows of Gasol, Randolph, and Conley, something they have to consider. Mcdermott might be one exception, he is one player NBA ready and will be ready to help them a lot even in year one. I'm sure they have their eye on him.
 
Core4 said:
Agree. It would have been nice to "double-dip" and get yet another asset for RW, Rush or Biedrins. Already got a return on those 3.
Trade Marvin and the minutes go up for Kanter, Evans and perhaps Gobert. How many extra games do we lose because of that?
Even IF a trade partner could be found for RJ, like you said, he's really not hurting the tank. Deduct Jefferson and Burks plays more, offset by whoever comes over in a deal and/or Clark, Evans or Thornton getting some burn at SG/SF.
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Trading RJ would hurt the development of our young core.
 
mellow said:
Trade chatter:

GS is desperate to win now. They have traded away many future picks and their new stadium plans were set back at least a year.

rival executives told USA TODAY Sports last week that anyone outside of point guard Stephen Curry and center Andrew Bogut is, to varying degrees, up for discussion. That includes second-year small forward Harrison Barnes, the Warriors reserve who is known to have sparked serious interest from a long list of suitors but who is unlikely to be traded unless it was part of a package for a big-name player.
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https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l9ctlvp

David Lee + Harrison Barnes + 1st Round pick(s) for Kevin Love
Warriors get a win now starting unit of Bogut, Curry, Thompson, Iggy, and Love. Love gets to come to California, where he could ink a longterm deal with the Warriors, and Minnesota gets good value for Love. It is similar value to what the Jazz got for Deron Williams. It seems like a win-win.
 
dd11 said:
The Celtics want two unprotected 1st-rounders for Rondo.
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I'd trade Jefferson/Biedrens/Marv (+ JLIII) and two first rounders for Rondo, then have Burke back-up and learn from Rondo for the rest of this season and next. At the end of next you can decide to re-sign Rondo or give Burke an extension. They could also play in the backcourt together sometimes as Rondo can guard 2-guards and Burke plays well off the ball.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l9ctlvp

David Lee + Harrison Barnes + 1st Round pick(s) for Kevin Love
Warriors get a win now starting unit of Bogut, Curry, Thompson, Iggy, and Love. Love gets to come to California, where he could ink a longterm deal with the Warriors, and Minnesota gets good value for Love. It is similar value to what the Jazz got for Deron Williams. It seems like a win-win.
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Would be good for GS but then their pathetic bench now turns non-existent!!!
 
Jeffrey32 said:
https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l9ctlvp

David Lee + Harrison Barnes + 1st Round pick(s) for Kevin Love
Warriors get a win now starting unit of Bogut, Curry, Thompson, Iggy, and Love. Love gets to come to California, where he could ink a longterm deal with the Warriors, and Minnesota gets good value for Love. It is similar value to what the Jazz got for Deron Williams. It seems like a win-win.
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Dont GS can trade first round picks no mo.
Not sure doe
 
Jeffrey32 said:
https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l9ctlvp

David Lee + Harrison Barnes + 1st Round pick(s) for Kevin Love
Warriors get a win now starting unit of Bogut, Curry, Thompson, Iggy, and Love. Love gets to come to California, where he could ink a longterm deal with the Warriors, and Minnesota gets good value for Love. It is similar value to what the Jazz got for Deron Williams. It seems like a win-win.
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What 1st round picks do they have to offer? That's the problem. Can't trade one in 2015 (successive year rule) and we already have their pick for 2017.

They're stuck. They want to make some moves but are very limited. Have to trade players and not picks. Hopefully they do a panic deal and give up too much. Then someone turns an ankle and they're really sunk.
 
Core4 said:
What 1st round picks do they have to offer? That's the problem. Can't trade one in 2015 (successive year rule) and we already have their pick for 2017.

They're stuck. They want to make some moves but are very limited. Have to trade players and not picks. Hopefully they do a panic deal and give up too much. Then someone turns an ankle and they're really sunk.
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That's probably why Lindsay wanted the 2017 pick. If the Jazz had gotten the '14 and '16 pick, a standard trade, GSW could dangle the '18 pick. As it is right now. GSW can't trade ANY first round pick since I think you can only trade picks to a certain point into the future, so GSW can't do the '19 pick until next year.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
That's probably why Lindsay wanted the 2017 pick. If the Jazz had gotten the '14 and '16 pick, a standard trade, GSW could dangle the '18 pick. As it is right now. GSW can't trade ANY first round pick since I think you can only trade picks to a certain point into the future, so GSW can't do the '19 pick until next year.
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Whether it was knowing he locked them out of trading picks or believing, as PKM, that the 2017 draft will be EPIC, it was a good strategy to get the extra 2017 first. Personally, I think DL just wanted to get the pick as far out as he could, knowing that we'd likely have to turn over one or two players due to future contract demands.
 
dd11 said:
The Celtics want two unprotected 1st-rounders for Rondo.
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Sweet! Give them Biedrins, Jefferson, and Golden State's 2 first rounders. Then we just bought Rondo for a second rounder when all is said and done. Just have to make sure that Rondo has to walk to Salt Lake from Boston to check in for tanking purposes. . .
 
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