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Countdown to a Letdown--aka Jazz trade deadline 2014

Here comes the tank. When we participate in one sided trades, just remember, it's all for Jabari.

Oh, and don't be surprised when Favors gets shut down for the season soon.
 
mellow said:
Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody
Still no Jazz trade news, but I've been told the team is willing to entertain offers on just about every player on the roster.


Jody is such a tease.
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While that sounds good, there's no way anyone on this roster is really even close to untouchable.
 
There's hope!

@DJJazzyJody: Tomorrow could be wild. From what I heard tonight (no specifics), I'd be surprised if the Jazz aren't involved in trade-deadline action.
 
I do think trades will happen today, and when they do, Utah will get fleeced in them. DL knows we have to cut talent or this year was a waste. Other teams know this as well. Expect 2-3 players gone and nothing but 2nd rounders in return.

Put it this way:

I would gladly move Hayward for Parker and a second rounder.
 
green said:
@DJJazzyJody: Tomorrow could be wild. From what I heard tonight (no specifics), I'd be surprised if the Jazz aren't involved in trade-deadline action.
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So basically...that means we're going to throw a lot of poop at the wall and hope somebody claims it.
 
From CBSSportsline. Yet another source who doesn't believe our expirings are worth much and Jazz may (should?) just sit tight and free up space for the summer.

Record: 19-33 (2-0 this week), Net Rating: -7.5 points per 100 possessions
Their best trade deadline assets: Richard Jefferson ($11 million expiring), Andris Biedrins ($9 million expiring), Brandon Rush ($4 million expiring), and Marvin Williams ($7.5 million expiring) are all available for cap relief if you're willing to give up an asset in return. Otherwise, they're happy to let these guys expire and have the cap relief/flexibility this summer. The Jazz could also get crazy by dangling the Warriors' 2014 pick owed to them as bait for a good veteran that helps them long-term.
Level of compromise: They know they don't need to make a move and they should know that none of their expirings are draft pick worthy. They can stockpile second round picks with any of those guys moving at the deadline but they have more value in just expiring. The Warriors pick is interesting. It's going to fall in the 20's but if they climb up the standings and make it to the top six in the league, the Jazz won't need it as much. It's a risk to deal but the reward could be huge.
 
Core4 said:
but they have more value in just expiring
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I disagree.
Jefferson and marvin have value for the jazz by being traded because it helps the jazz own first round draft pick
 
Core4 said:
From CBSSportsline. Yet another source who doesn't believe our expirings are worth much and Jazz may (should?) just sit tight and free up space for the summer.

Record: 19-33 (2-0 this week), Net Rating: -7.5 points per 100 possessions
Their best trade deadline assets: Richard Jefferson ($11 million expiring), Andris Biedrins ($9 million expiring), Brandon Rush ($4 million expiring), and Marvin Williams ($7.5 million expiring) are all available for cap relief if you're willing to give up an asset in return. Otherwise, they're happy to let these guys expire and have the cap relief/flexibility this summer. The Jazz could also get crazy by dangling the Warriors' 2014 pick owed to them as bait for a good veteran that helps them long-term.
Level of compromise: They know they don't need to make a move and they should know that none of their expirings are draft pick worthy. They can stockpile second round picks with any of those guys moving at the deadline but they have more value in just expiring. The Warriors pick is interesting. It's going to fall in the 20's but if they climb up the standings and make it to the top six in the league, the Jazz won't need it as much. It's a risk to deal but the reward could be huge.
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Look what I said earlier today:

I do think trades will happen today, and when they do, Utah will get fleeced in them. DL knows we have to cut talent or this year was a waste. Other teams know this as well. Expect 2-3 players gone and nothing but 2nd rounders in return.
 
The more I think about it, the more I'm willing to give Hayward away for very little. Like send Hayward to Boston for Brooklyn's unprotected 2017 pick.

The reason isn't that I don't think Hayward isn't a good player, and it's not because I don't think the Jazz could use him in the future next to Jabari, but it is because I read over Bill Simmons 30 worst contracts in the NBA and I have a HUGE feeling that Hayward will be on that list in two years. He is a nice player that is about to get VASTLY overpaid.

So, if you are Utah, do you move Hayward for a future first, or keep him, lose Jabari, overpay Hayward (losing out on another trade/FA) and move forward as a mediocre team?

You can move Hayward for a future first, sit Favors the rest of the year, and we probably don't win another game this year. Heck, I'd let Burke take the rest of the year off as well.

Then we look like this next year:

Burke
Burks
???
Parker/Kanter
Favors/Gobert

with a ton of cap room, another pick in the GS pick, flexibility, a trade piece in Kanter. We are looking really good at that point.

Much better than:

Burke
Hayward/Burks
Gordon/???
Marvin/Kanter
Favors/Gobert

In fact, I think the Gordon lineup actually has a worse record than our team this year.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree.
Jefferson and marvin have value for the jazz by being traded because it helps the jazz own first round draft pick
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Yes, from our standpoint. But it takes two teams to make a deal. And others just don't see much value in Marvin and virtually none in RJ.
green said:
Look what I said earlier today:

I do think trades will happen today, and when they do, Utah will get fleeced in them. DL knows we have to cut talent or this year was a waste. Other teams know this as well. Expect 2-3 players gone and nothing but 2nd rounders in return.
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Fantastic. I think the jazz would gladly deal either for a 2nd round pick and an expiring. The problem is matching up players at $11M and $7.5M. And, IF the price is to also take back a 2-yr deal - no, that's not a good trade; Better to just let the contracts expire. Look at it this way: is a 2nd and a player like Prince better than having cap space? I'd rather roll the dice this summer. Lindsey showed how valuable it was to be a facilitator. He could do either this summer: add decent FA's or accumulate more assets by allowing another team to utilize our cap space.
 
I just wasted an hour of my life listening to David Locke Tip Off on the trade deadline. He did a good job, but in the end he basically said there's nothing out there. No interest on any fronts really.
 
Core4 said:
Yes, from our standpoint. But it takes two teams to make a deal. And others just don't see much value in Marvin and virtually none in RJ.

Fantastic. I think the jazz would gladly deal either for a 2nd round pick and an expiring. The problem is matching up players at $11M and $7.5M. And, IF the price is to also take back a 2-yr deal - no, that's not a good trade; Better to just let the contracts expire. Look at it this way: is a 2nd and a player like Prince better than having cap space? I'd rather roll the dice this summer. Lindsey showed how valuable it was to be a facilitator. He could do either this summer: add decent FA's or accumulate more assets by allowing another team to utilize our cap space.
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Here is the next question:

What is more valuable: Having room to sign a mid-tier FA this summer or having no cap room, but having Jabari Parker?

I'll gladly give up Jefferson or Marvin for a two year deal that will guarantee I lose more games. Gladly.

Also, I'm to the point where I'd give up Hayward for Brooklyn's 2017 unprotected pick. I don't want to overpay him, and I want to lose this year.

Heck, I would up to one dollar under the luxury tax line this year and next with bad deals coming in, if it means we don't win another game this year and have Jabari Parker on the team.
 
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