Current Players Draft: Ron Mexico v Beer

[Ron Mexico]

You have 1 player who has done anything in regards to winning and while he was arguably the 2nd best player, Kawhi was 90% of that team. Let’s not pretend Paskal carried them for more than a game or 2 max. He had that one huge game and other than that Kawhi carried that entire team for the entire playoffs. Other than that you’ve got a bunch of young guns who have proven nothing.

I do feel like our benches are pretty even and our starters match up well but like I said wings>bigs every time.

Paskal was a big part of that team. He's also stepped up huge this year and will continue next year. Some of my guys haven't been in the playoffs much but that doesn't mean much, they are really good players and improving.

What has PG done? Choked

What has Butler done? Nothing as a 1st or 2nd option except piss his team off. He also didn't get Minny anywhere like KAT, that team sucks. Butler is a team cancer.

 

[Hekate]

Paskal was a big part of that team. He's also stepped up huge this year and will continue next year. Some of my guys haven't been in the playoffs much but that doesn't mean much, they are really good players and improving.

What has PG done? Choked

What has Butler done? Nothing as a 1st or 2nd option except piss his team off. He also didn't get Minny anywhere like KAT, that team sucks. Butler is a team cancer.

Only time Kat made the playoffs was with Butler. And he seems to be doing well with the Heat where he is the first option. Reports of him being a cancer are overexaggerated, he just can't deal with losers.

Also should have started Oubre over Gallinari.

 

[Beer]

Only time Kat made the playoffs was with Butler. And he seems to be doing well with the Heat where he is the first option. Reports of him being a cancer are overexaggerated, he just can't deal with losers.

Also should have started Oubre over Gallinari.

Jimmy makes his teams better every single time. He may be a dick, but I think its more the bitch babies that can't handle anyone pushing them like Wiggins and Towns. Listen to the Reddick interview with Butler about his issues in Philly sure seems like everyone else being afraid to face up to reality and Jimmy just trying to win.

 

[Beer]

Jimmy makes his teams better every single time. He may be a dick, but I think its more the bitch babies that can't handle anyone pushing them like Wiggins and Towns. Listen to the Reddick interview with Butler about his issues in Philly sure seems like everyone else being afraid to face up to reality and Jimmy just trying to win.

Also just getting 1 side of the story but Brent Brown seems like a giant *****.

 

[ACC339]

Good players win championships. Paskal just won a championship as the 2nd best player and is leading player on one of the best teams in the East right now.

George will choke in the playoffs again. Butler will be hated by his teammates and lead try issues like it has with every team. Collins is an awful defender and not nearly three positive KAT is offensively to make up for it. Turner is a decent defender but a really unification inefficient big that throws up bad shots. Look at his bad 3s this year. Brogdon is an average starter in the NBA. He can't shoot 3s this year.

Fox and Shai are unproven but next year they'll be even better and prove themselves. Conley is a great player and leader. Perfect off the bench with youth team next year. Kat needs a decent team and he will explode instead of a **** show Minny. His team is incredibly better with him on the court and historically bad with him off this year.

Just FYI paskal is leading his team to a better record than the star studded Clippers where Paul George is the second best on that team next to kwahi. The same player that paskal was second to and won a championship. Oh and who beat Butler's team in the playoffs where Butler was the 3rd option.

Live over on the East coast & watched a good bit of Hawks games...Collins is nowhere near that bad on defense. 15th in the nba on block % with a positive DPIPM / DRPM & had a 46 DFG%. Hes just stuck on a poor defensive team.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Jimmy makes his teams better every single time. He may be a dick, but I think its more the bitch babies that can't handle anyone pushing them like Wiggins and Towns. Listen to the Reddick interview with Butler about his issues in Philly sure seems like everyone else being afraid to face up to reality and Jimmy just trying to win.

If it's more about bitch babies then you're in trouble paring him with Paul George...

Ashley you left Chicago off the list. He's had major issues with every team so far. Miami is a matter of time.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Shocked at the voting

 

[Ron Mexico]

Shocked at the voting

I'm not surprised at all. I have a lot of players that dont get the respect they deserve but I expected that. Honestly I drafted most of this team based on next season. The only way to validate my team will be after next year. Next year my team is better than his, but even this year its close. But its hard for people to project to next year.

 

[Ron Mexico]

De'Aaron fox 22 years old VS Brogdon 27 years old.
Pretty much every stat shows De'Aaron Fox is a better player and will greatly improve going forward.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...gdon&y2=2020&player_id2=brogdma01&idx=players

Shai (21) vs Butler (30)
Butler is on the decline and Shai is quickly improving at a really young age. Butler is really good all around and Shai is a much better shooter. Butler is shooting 25% from 3! Both are about the same at scoring. Both are pretty good rebounders. Butler is a better at creating and defense. But Butler has been run out of town 3X by teams. I think by the end of next year this one will be an advantage for Shai. Shai is the leading scorer on a team with the same record as Butler. Butler is in an easier conference and has more talent around him.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...tler&player_id2=butleji01&idx=players&y2=2020

Gallinari vs Paul George vs Oubre
I give the advantage to Paul George here over both but it isnt that big. George is not playing that well this year and has choked multiple times in the playoffs. All 3 players are around the same PPG, Oubre is the best passer, Gallinari is the best shooter, Oubre and George are the best defenders. Advanced stats say Gallinari is the best player of the 3 this year. He has the best Win Shares, Net Rating, and VORP. Next year I think George and Gallinari get a little worse and Oubre gets better.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...Danilo+Gallinari&player_id3=gallida01&y3=2020

Siakam vs Collins
This one is as big of a gap at seems. Collins is becoming pretty good but he isnt near what Siakam is on both ends of the court.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...akam&player_id2=siakapa01&idx=players&y2=2020

KAT vs Turner
Both young players and improving. But this one isnt close. KAT is an incredible player but stuck on a really bad team. KATs team is much much better when he is on the court. Put him next to a high energy all around great player like Siakam and he would destroy teams especially with 4 good shooters around him.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...rner&player_id2=turnemy01&idx=players&y2=2020

 

[Dr. Jones]

Ron wins hands down. Not even a contest.




4 UK players vs. none??? Wtf. End it.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Who the **** is “Beer?”

haven’t been here in 16.5 years so forgive me..

 

[Ron Mexico]

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Who the **** is “Beer?”

haven’t been here in 16.5 years so forgive me..

He comes and goes but he is a pretty funny guy in SLC I think.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Got it.

for those that have met up.. pitcher/catcher??

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He comes and goes but he is a pretty funny guy in SLC I think.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Got it.

for those that have met up.. pitcher/catcher??

I havent met him in real life. But based on his home life he posts about he does not wear any pants at home. But that doesnt answer your question. Side note I am never sure why someone would lock them into one thing. Why not go for both. I mean I dont identify as doggie, missionary, or whatever. I like to mix it up....

 

[Dr. Jones]

I havent met him in real life. But based on his home life he posts about he does not wear any pants at home. But that doesnt answer your question. Side note I am never sure why someone would lock them into one thing. Why not go for both. I mean I dont identify as doggie, missionary, or whatever. I like to mix it up....

I can answer... be a man. Pitcher.. all the way. This cesspool of earth is awful.

 

[Beer]

If it's more about bitch babies then you're in trouble paring him with Paul George...

Ashley you left Chicago off the list. He's had major issues with every team so far. Miami is a matter of time.

Outside of his 1 game flop against the Jazz where does this rep come from? He averaged 29, 9 and 4 in the playoffs last year. Sure they got beat but that wasn't on him.

Year before he averaged 25, 6 and 4 in the playoffs.

Year before 28, 9 and 7

Before that 27, 8 and 4

Then we can compare him to KAT ..........

NADA, other than crying because Jimmy Butler was mean to him.

 

[Beer]

Who the **** is “Beer?”

haven’t been here in 16.5 years so forgive me..

I dropped off for like 2 years because there isn't enough traffic on JF to stay engaged consistently. Will probably fall off again in the near future.

 

[Beer]

De'Aaron fox 22 years old VS Brogdon 27 years old.
Pretty much every stat shows De'Aaron Fox is a better player and will greatly improve going forward.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=De'Aaron+Fox&player_id1_select=De'Aaron+Fox&y1=2020&player_id1=foxde01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Malcolm+Brogdon&player_id2_select=Malcolm+Brogdon&y2=2020&player_id2=brogdma01&idx=players

Shai (21) vs Butler (30)
Butler is on the decline and Shai is quickly improving at a really young age. Butler is really good all around and Shai is a much better shooter. Butler is shooting 25% from 3! Both are about the same at scoring. Both are pretty good rebounders. Butler is a better at creating and defense. But Butler has been run out of town 3X by teams. I think by the end of next year this one will be an advantage for Shai. Shai is the leading scorer on a team with the same record as Butler. Butler is in an easier conference and has more talent around him.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...tler&player_id2=butleji01&idx=players&y2=2020

Gallinari vs Paul George vs Oubre
I give the advantage to Paul George here over both but it isnt that big. George is not playing that well this year and has choked multiple times in the playoffs. All 3 players are around the same PPG, Oubre is the best passer, Gallinari is the best shooter, Oubre and George are the best defenders. Advanced stats say Gallinari is the best player of the 3 this year. He has the best Win Shares, Net Rating, and VORP. Next year I think George and Gallinari get a little worse and Oubre gets better.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...Danilo+Gallinari&player_id3=gallida01&y3=2020

Siakam vs Collins
This one is as big of a gap at seems. Collins is becoming pretty good but he isnt near what Siakam is on both ends of the court.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...akam&player_id2=siakapa01&idx=players&y2=2020

KAT vs Turner
Both young players and improving. But this one isnt close. KAT is an incredible player but stuck on a really bad team. KATs team is much much better when he is on the court. Put him next to a high energy all around great player like Siakam and he would destroy teams especially with 4 good shooters around him.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...rner&player_id2=turnemy01&idx=players&y2=2020

In terms of

Fox v Brogdon .... Fox is way better than I thought he would be but I think Brogdon fits the role of 4th option that can be used to guard 1-3 (4 depending on the matchup) and doesn't need the ball to be a very valuable contributor. Fox has to have the ball to be effective. I prefer to look at this basketball reference page due to the role Brogdan will be going back to playing. https://www.basketball-reference.co...=Malcolm+Brogdon&player_id2=brogdma01&y2=2019

Shai v Butler - Love Shai and was trying to get him in this draft, but right now Jimmy is better. And has proven to be better over the course of 5 plus years, not just 2/3 of 1 season. Gotta think in a 1 year rental scenario 8/10 GM's are taking Jimmy. His shooting is atrocious, but he makes up for it in everything else. Plus you've got Fox shooting 30% from 3 on your end.

PG v Galinari - I like Galinari and you took him the pick before I was going to but PG is better in pretty much every single aspect. And PG is an elite wing defender, while Galinari is not even close. This matchup isn't that close imo. PG's stats this year are skewed due to the Clips being so weird with their lineups and resting people.

Collins and Siakam - Yeah, Siakam does more I'd rather have Siakam. But Collins once again fills a role perfectly. Insanely efficient, puts up huge #'s with Trae Young dribbling the air out of the ball and shooting it 40 times a game. As a 3rd option he's about as perfect a complementary piece as you can get.

Turner v KAT - KAT is a *****. No ifs ands or butts. God awful horrendous on D. Pouts pretty much non stop. Top of the world elite on offense but the dude is not a winner. Turner once again is a perfect complementary piece at the 5. Can spread the floor on offense. Dominates at the rim and on the pick and roll. Thats all i need. TBH I'd probably just have Jimmy Butler switch on to KAT as much as possible and I'm sure KAT would wet his pants and demand to be subbed out.

So just another way to look at it.

 

[Miggs]

Agreed, Beer. Towns is a perennial loser and plays awful d. You can’t win with an atrocious defender at the 5. He makes Shaq look like Bill Russell too so I don’t want to hear Shaq stunk on d and they won nonsense. You can see it in his young, fat face. Lazy work ethic.

That and Gallinari trying to play the 3 is really a really shame front court defensively that Siakam can only make up for so much.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm not surprised at all. I have a lot of players that dont get the respect they deserve but I expected that. Honestly I drafted most of this team based on next season. The only way to validate my team will be after next year. Next year my team is better than his, but even this year its close. But its hard for people to project to next year.

To me Siakim is probably the best player on either team (though I wouldnt be mad if someone said George). He plays both ends and is making huge improvements. His gap might be even bigger next year. KAT is probably the most talented player on either team and is a straight up nasty pairing with Siakim. He is probably vastly underrated on here because he's always been in a bad situation and underachieved on team wins.

Overall it's pretty close. Not saying Ron >>>, but the voting should be closer IMO.