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Current roster and payroll?

mikenielsen said:
What about Elijah Millsap as our undrafted minimum guy....

Year League Name GP Min Pts FG FGA FG% 2Pt 2PtA 2P% 3Pt 3PtA 3P% FTM FTA FT% Off Def TOT Asts Stls Blks TOs PFs
2009/10 NCAA Elijah Millsap 34 33.1 16.1 5.4 12.3 43.5 4.8 10.0 48.1 0.6 2.3 24.1 4.8 6.9 69.5 2.7 6.8 9.5 1.8 1.6 0.3 3.5 3.3

From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Elijah-Millsap-5831/#ixzz0tcVXM9JM
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I watched one game where he was in at the Summer League. He is by no means anything near NBA talent.
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
The MLE and Biannual exception don't count against the cap because every teams gets those options, so we could get 3 or maybe 4 players with those, and maybe veteran or league minimum prehaps for two d-leaguers.
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Just because they don't count against the cap does not mean they don't effect the Luxury tax.
 
We have 11 players under contract at the moment, plus 1 QO (Fes) and 1 RFA signed to an Offer Sheet (Matthews). This is our current payroll for cap purposes, including Matthews if we match and Fes if he signs the QO, otherwise he can be replaced by a player up to the quoted figure, which is the maximum MLE:

Andrei Kirilenko $17,823,000
Deron Williams $14,940,153
Al Jefferson $13,000,000
Mehmet Okur $9,945,000
Paul Millsap* $8,308,367
Wesley Matthews (or MLE) $5,765,000
CJ Miles $3,700,000
Gordon Hayward $2,356,320
Ronnie Price $1,381,250
Kyrylo Fesenko** $1,087,500
Sundiata Gaines *** $762,195
Othyus Jeffers *** $762,195
Jeremy Evans $473,604
TOTAL $80,304,584 (Luxury Tax level: $70,307,000)

* includes pro-rated signing bonus
** Qualifying Offer
*** Non-Guaranteed
 
Well, Mantis, the cap is around $57-58 million, aint it. We now "have" 11 players. Our roster must be at least 13, I think. So if we are over $80 million, right now, "for cap purposes," what does that mean? That we can't sign 2 more, even though we "must?"
 
That list includes Matthews and Fes, which would give us the minimum 13. If we don't sign them, then we still have our MLE and our bi-annual exceptions to use to sign players, or we can sign players to minimum contracts, which vary with the length of service of the player e.g. Evans is at the minimum for Rookies, and Gaines and Jeffers are at the minimum for 1-year vets. A 10+ year veteran would get ~$1.35M.

Taking out Wes and Fes, we have 11 players signed for $73,452,084. If we don't use our exceptions and sign two players to minimum contracts instead , our cap number will be at least $74,399,292 if we add two more rookies, but could be as high as $76,156,446 if we add two 10+ year veterans.

[There is a bit of a financial wrinkle in signing mimimum-salary players. If a player has been in the league 3 or more years and is on a one-year minimum contract, the team pays them as though they are only a two-year vet, and the league picks up the rest of their salary, although it all counts for the cap. This would actually soften the blow of any tax hit, since we would pay twice for the first $854,389 of their salary, once as salary and again on tax, but the rest we pay only once, as tax. So the cost difference between signing a 3-year vet and 10-year vet to a one-year contract at the minimum is their straight salary, it isn't doubled for tax.]

Another possibility for filling the last two roster spots is using our trade exceptions to bring in another player or players, which could really blow our cap number into the stratosphere!
 
Hopper said:
Well, I really didn't follow alla dat. I guess I shouldn't have even axxed--I aint gunna git it nohow.
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The simple answer to what you axed is that we can still use our axceptions to sign two mo' players, or we could make trades wit' our two trade axceptions to git two mo' players, or we could just go out and sign 'em up to minimum wage contracts until we got enuff players, coz you can always sign players fo' minimum wage, if you ain't got nuthin' else to sign 'em wit'.
 
Mantis said:
Paul Millsap* $8,308,367
TOTAL $80,304,584 (Luxury Tax level: $70,307,000)

* includes pro-rated signing bonus
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I thought signing bonuses up to 25% didn`t count towards the LT? Hoopshype has Millsap at $6,2 for this season and if their list is correct we are a few million under the LT at the moment.
 
DWill_Gr8tness said:
I would say it is about an 80 % AK will be traded and a 19% chance of Memo being moved with a 1% chance KOC pulls of the all time greatest GM move/decision of all decisions. Get it done Buddy Boy!
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That's funny because I think there's about 1% chance either will be moved by the deadline.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
I thought signing bonuses up to 25% didn`t count towards the LT? Hoopshype has Millsap at $6,2 for this season and if their list is correct we are a few million under the LT at the moment.
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Hoopshype would be correct (assuming that figure is correct) - he's getting *paid* $6.2M this season, but he counts as $8.3M against the cap because of the signing bonus he received when he signed the contract, which was paid up-front but which is distributed over the life of the contract for cap purposes.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Locke would be wrong, then.
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Me and aint just had this debate. When you read Coon, you see that the NBA signing bonus is counterintuitive. It's really just a means of offering a player more money up front, thereby reducing the backend of a deal. Additionally, it gets folded into the life of the deal such that each year represents the accurate Cap Hit. I don't know that Locke's figures are accurate, but the 'pro-rated' bonus should already be reflected in his reported salary figures.
 
As to the Jazz and Payroll, my read on KOC when he said the Jazz are going into the tax with Jefferson was not literal. Yes, Jefferson literally puts us fractionally into the tax. But I think he meant it generally. Like, adding Jefferson means that, WITH the other guys we have to get, we're going to be several million dollars into the tax this season. That doesn't mean they'll go sky high into the tax, or that they won't try to get under in some way by the deadline, but that Jazz management understood they were highly likely to be tax payers at the end of the year as opposed to tap dancing on the line.
 
billyshelby said:
Me and aint just had this debate. When you read Coon, you see that the NBA signing bonus is counterintuitive. It's really just a means of offering a player more money up front, thereby reducing the backend of a deal. Additionally, it gets folded into the life of the deal such that each year represents the accurate Cap Hit. I don't know that Locke's figures are accurate, but the 'pro-rated' bonus should already be reflected in his reported salary figures.
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Yeah. Probably linked to this:

https://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q65

Shamsports has Millsap at 7.6. Hoopshype at 6.2. Leads me to believe base salary is 6.2, cap hit is 7.6. I think Locke is using Hoopshype.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
That's funny because I think there's about 1% chance either will be moved by the deadline.
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Dont think you could completely count out Millsap getting moved either. Lets be honest he is still a 6'7" power forward. If they decide they like AL at the 4 and by a miracle Fess plays well or we think Tomic could be the guy there is always that chance he could be moved.
 
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