DA/JZ Press Conference

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I remember this teams chemistry used to be amazing. Donovan always with the water bottle and even on the benches they liked each other.

Last year it just seemed like they hated being around each other. It all stems from Donovan and Rudy being immature imo.

It wasnt an off the court/liking each other issue though. Like I dont think Rudy/Don have a personal beef or anything. It's all on court issues.

IT was an on court thing. The ball movement stopped. The high effort on defense in rotations stopped.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It wasnt an off the court/liking each other issue though. Like I dont think Rudy/Don have a personal beef or anything. It's all on court issues.

IT was an on court thing. The ball movement stopped. The high effort on defense in rotations stopped.

Which are things that require trust and belief in your teammates.

I think the off court pettiness didn’t help anything but you could tell the team went through the motions at times and have lackluster effort on top of selfish play.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It's also easy to say that the guys get along behind the scenes because it's behind the scenes. There is no lipstick for the pig that was the Jazz last season from January onward. Just a tire fire.

 

[SteakNEggs]

It wasnt an off the court/liking each other issue though. Like I dont think Rudy/Don have a personal beef or anything. It's all on court issues.

IT was an on court thing. The ball movement stopped. The high effort on defense in rotations stopped.

Disagree... I think they genuinely disliked each other and that leaked on to the court. You ever see them hang out or even tweet at one another?

 

[Jingled]

Disagree... I think they genuinely disliked each other and that leaked on to the court. You ever see them hang out or even tweet at one another?

I hear they used to sit at the same table when they would eat sometimes.

 

[rjfan]

Lol the jazz have done this twice for sure maybe three times. Lol

So, what the hell happened between having the best record to only being a 6th seed? You don’t get the best record by having a dysfunctional roster.

Clippers series games 5 and 6 happened

 

[silesian]

OKC/HOU are in year 3 of their rebuilds this year. If they make the play in year 4 that will be a feat.

Did they have the kind of picks and young players the year zero? Seems thst the Jazz have a running start

 

[silesian]

It's really depressing to know that this past Jazz team ultimately failed because of chemistry issues.

Never got their mojo back after the Clippers.

 

[silesian]

It wasnt an off the court/liking each other issue though. Like I dont think Rudy/Don have a personal beef or anything. It's all on court issues.

IT was an on court thing. The ball movement stopped. The high effort on defense in rotations stopped.

Nah.

I don’t think Rudy has ever been a popular guy in the locker room. I sensed this and Locke hinted at this many times.

 

[KqWIN]

Did they have the kind of picks and young players the year zero? Seems thst the Jazz have a running start

They do and future draft picks don’t help you win immediately. Why do you think both teams suck?

What helps you win is having players like Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert on your team.

 

[silesian]

They do and future draft picks don’t help you win immediately. Why do you think both teams suck?

Question is “Did they” have the kind of quality assets at the start of the rebuild that the Jazz have, not “do they” have them now, years later. Obviously more assets early in rebuilt is a factor that could help a team getting better faster, if they want to. Not sure how you are missing this point, it’s pretty obvious.

And Obviously future picks don’t help teams win today, kinda the point of the rebuild. Misses the point of the optionslity of parlaying picks to accelerate the process.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Actually, that's the kind of effect you can get from playing as a team to playing as a bunch of individuals.

No **** Sherlock. But how does that happen from team to individuals?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Locke basically said Donovan lost trust in the team and that's why his clutch numbers were so bad this year. Basically tried to do it all himself. He's the only player he linked to that comment with an example.

**** Donovan for real. Then you could tell in the elimination Game 6 vs Dallas he pulled a "oh you want to do it without me" kind of thing and went totally passive in the final minutes (though it probably helped us overall, Bogey just missed the shot). Still was a lame *** move on his part.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Locke basically said Donovan lost trust in the team and that's why his clutch numbers were so bad this year. Basically tried to do it all himself. He's the only player he linked to that comment with an example.

**** Donovan for real. Then you could tell in the elimination Game 6 vs Dallas he pulled a "oh you want to do it without me" kind of thing and went totally passive in the final minutes (though it probably helped us overall, Bogey just missed the shot). Still was a lame *** move on his part.

Eh, what's past is past my friend.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Question is “Did they” have the kind of quality assets at the start of the rebuild that the Jazz have, not “do they” have them now, years later. Obviously more assets early in rebuilt is a factor that could help a team getting better faster, if they want to. Not sure how you are missing this point, it’s pretty obvious.

And Obviously future picks don’t help teams win today, kinda the point of the rebuild. Misses the point of the optionslity of parlaying picks to accelerate the process.

This is something somewhat important. OKC didn’t have as many assets on the front end of the rebuild. They also have actively offloaded functional vets and sat on cap space.

Houston actually is out some picks so it was critical they suck as hard as they can now. They don’t have the treasure trove we do.

Where this becomes a quick advantage is if you have a couple pieces in two years and an opportunity arises to trade for an all star you can pounce. OKC could do that but they haven’t had the lotto luck just yet to really push some chips in to
Improve.

We will also have a real opportunity to
move up the draft if we want to… there are limits but end of the lotto is realistic if we throw in day the Brooklyn pick and one of the Minny picks… if there is a guy we like that’s available. On draft night moving into the 12-14 range is really doable. Could
also do it by adding a player to a pick to move up. I’d say we are way ahead of what Houston had to start their rebuild… I think we are maybe even with where OKC started cuz they had SGA… but it’s conceivable we could have better lotto luck or hit on a later pick (they haven’t done real well outside the lotto).

There are reasons to believe it could be a two year process… one hiccup and you end up at 3 years pretty easily.

 

[default]

Lol the jazz have done this twice for sure maybe three times. Lol

So, what the hell happened between having the best record to only being a 6th seed? You don’t get the best record by having a dysfunctional roster.

I do think Ingles and Favors helped team chemistry even if they were not stars. After they left, we seemed to be more divided.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Locke basically said Donovan lost trust in the team and that's why his clutch numbers were so bad this year. Basically tried to do it all himself. He's the only player he linked to that comment with an example.

**** Donovan for real. Then you could tell in the elimination Game 6 vs Dallas he pulled a "oh you want to do it without me" kind of thing and went totally passive in the final minutes (though it probably helped us overall, Bogey just missed the shot). Still was a lame *** move on his part.

He was the guy that could have saved this thing. I think he's a great guy... I really do... I think he will super regret how he handled the last couple years.

Losing faith in guys on defense and offense is contagious... If it comes from the star you have a full pandemic. Why would one guy make the extra pass when that guy isnt? Why bust your *** to make the right rotation on defense when someone on the defense chain will just let **** slip.

It really sucks but I'm happy we did the right thing and just tore **** down. Ryan should get a small pat on the back for letting Ainge do this because it was clearly not what he wanted to do. Especially with a small microscope on him/Utah for the AS game this year. I'm happy his pride didn't get in the way of the team doing the right thing.

 

[KqWIN]

Question is “Did they” have the kind of quality assets at the start of the rebuild that the Jazz have, not “do they” have them now, years later. Obviously more assets early in rebuilt is a factor that could help a team getting better faster, if they want to. Not sure how you are missing this point, it’s pretty obvious.

And Obviously future picks don’t help teams win today, kinda the point of the rebuild. Misses the point of the optionslity of parlaying picks to accelerate the process.

What are you talking about? The Thunder had hoards of picks from the WB and PG trades. HOU had picks from the Harden trade.

It doesn't mean jack **** as far as winning in the next 1-2 years. That's the point. having future picks does not mean your rebuild gets done in 1-2 years. If your expectation is 1-2 years, your expectation is a miracle.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What are you talking about? The Thunder had hoards of picks from the WB and PG trades. HOU had picks from the Harden trade.

It doesn't mean jack **** as far as winning in the next 1-2 years. That's the point. having future picks does not mean your rebuild gets done in 1-2 years. If your expectation is 1-2 years, your expectation is a miracle.

Houston is out a couple picks because of the CP trade though. They didn't have as much to sell off.

I agree with your overall point though. Those picks don't help now unless the 2023 pick hits in a huge way (minor miracle) or you decide to cash in some picks in 2 years for a star.

We are likely looking at 2-3 years as the best case scenario... more likely 3-4 years.

Unless Lauri goes back to the 20/10 guy he was for a minute as a second year player and Sexton goes to an efficient 25/5 guy and Ochai/Kessler hit in a huge way.

I do think we have way more potential than Houston to turn it around quickly... OKC had SGA and a **** ton of picks doe... so starting from a similar point. If Chet wasn't out all year and the didn't actively do the BS they do to tank I think they could have been a play in team but will now Tank this **** as they have an excuse.

 

[KqWIN]

Houston is out a couple picks because of the CP trade though. They didn't have as much to sell off.

I agree with your overall point though. Those picks don't help now unless the 2023 pick hits in a huge way (minor miracle) or you decide to cash in some picks in 2 years for a star.

We are likely looking at 2-3 years as the best case scenario... more likely 3-4 years.

Unless Lauri goes back to the 20/10 guy he was for a minute as a second year player and Sexton goes to an efficient 25/5 guy and Ochai/Kessler hit in a huge way.

I do think we have way more potential than Houston to turn it around quickly... OKC had SGA and a **** ton of picks doe... so starting from a similar point. If Chet wasn't out all year and the didn't actively do the BS they do to tank I think they could have been a play in team but will now Tank this **** as they have an excuse.

If you wanted to tank, I understood if under the "we're going to commit and do it right" kind of thinking. That's always what you and I have been talking about from my understanding, and it's reasonable. If we weren't going to retool around the stars and trade both, there needed to be an understanding that it's likely 3-4 years if things go well.

What's not reasonable is thinking this is a 1-2 year thing and we're right back. It doesn't really matter how many future picks we have. Unless we're cashing them in for trades, they aren't helping us win much in the next two years.