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Dante Exum: shoulder injury

MVP said:
Kanter and DWill were higher picks. Burke was 9th. If anything Jazz showed they have no problem partying with high picks when they do not meet the expectations.
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Not sure any of these are good comps
Unlike Kanter, Dante has a good attitude and is committed to playing defense. I think the summer league and first two preseason games showed Dante was improving offensively. He was more of a project than Burke. And he had the injury which set him back further.
DWill was likely leaving as an UFA (or at least KOC and the Millers thought). That's why he was traded.

I think DL tries to sign Dante to a reasonable 4yr deal. And if both sides reach a compromise, I'll bet the contract will be bashed by many here as a gross overpay.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think we extend him... I think he may not get a 4/40 type offer next year if he's out all year and I'm not sure he'd take it. He thinks highly of himself and may want to make the 6.7M and hit the market as unrestricted when the cap is heading up again.

Maybe he reads the market next year and just wants to lock something in. He's made 16M so far and would make another 7 on the QO... so he's likely in a decent spot to gamble on himself. We will see.

I'm more 50/50 though... could see either happening.
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I don't know if they extend him or not, but if they don't, they'll either match an offer sheet or come to terms in the offseason. Allowing him to take the QO is basically giving up on him at this point. Not seeing it.

I'm also not buying a 2 time serious injury sufferer gambling on staying healthy with 35-40 million in front of him.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
I disagree with the idea you label somebody injury prone over a freak accident. Dante could have been in a car accident and some fans would be calling him injury prone. Good for you for supporting him, but I dislike your post. Don't worry though, I dislike other people's posts, and they all seem to get over it, so I think you'll be ok. If not, I'm afraid you might be prone to oversensitivity, which means you might not last as a Jazzfanz poster.
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*Injury Police*
 
Jack Strop said:
Not sure any of these are good comps
Unlike Kanter, Dante has a good attitude and is committed to playing defense. I think the summer league and first two preseason games showed Dante was improving offensively. He was more of a project than Burke. And he had the injury which set him back further.
DWill was likely leaving as an UFA (or at least KOC and the Millers thought). That's why he was traded.
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But Kanter at least showed he could score and rebound at high level. Burke was disappointment who could never overcome his ego to play the way team needed him too. DWill was not leaving anywhere, after Sloan quit he though it is his team and he would have stayed for sure, he felt really betrayed when Jazz traded him. We have more examples of young players let go after their rookie contracts are over ( Brewer, Humphries, Snyder,etc) - Jazz as organization is known to part ways easy with their lottery picks.
Exum so far shown that he has quick first step and length - otherwise he is huge unknown with serious holes in his game and in his 4th year still remains mystery to most scouts and specialists. Realistically if Rubio is playing well and Jazz make it to second round or more this year I do not see them investing into Exum more than average level backup PG is worth in free agent market - 5-6 mil a year.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
I don't know if they extend him or not, but if they don't, they'll either match an offer sheet or come to terms in the offseason. Allowing him to take the QO is basically giving up on him at this point. Not seeing it.

I'm also not buying a 2 time serious injury sufferer gambling on staying healthy with 35-40 million in front of him.
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What if we offer $35M and he doesn't see that as good. Him accepting the QO (which we will extend to make sure he is restricted) might be his only option if he doesn't want to lock in.

Nerlens Noel turned down $80M this year (or close to it) and has made less money and had serious injuries. These guys have irrational confidence... Noel got the QO.

I could see a similar stalemate happening... I could also see him being smarter than that and going for something in the range of 30-40M. I don't know that the Jazz will offer that.

I can't imagine this would play well in the media, but I wonder if we did a 4/30 right now if he'd take it. Would save us some cap room because I think his caphold is like $10M.
 
MVP said:
But Kanter at least showed he could score and rebound at high level. Burke was disappointment who could never overcome his ego to play the way team needed him too. DWill was not leaving anywhere, after Sloan quit he though it is his team and he would have stayed for sure, he felt really betrayed when Jazz traded him. We have more examples of young players let go after their rookie contracts are over ( Brewer, Humphries, Snyder,etc) - Jazz as organization is known to part ways easy with their lottery picks.
Exum so far shown that he has quick first step and length - otherwise he is huge unknown with serious holes in his game and in his 4th year still remains mystery to most scouts and specialists. Realistically if Rubio is playing well and Jazz make it to second round or more this year I do not see them investing into Exum more than average level backup PG is worth in free agent market - 5-6 mil a year.
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The other thing to consider is that those drafts weren't great around where we were picking (except for the Burke draft which had CJ and Greek Freak). The guys selected around Dante and Kanter are all pretty meh. Of course there are guys much later that are better, but realistically most NBA GMs have these guys pegged in a similar range.

I like Saric in the Exum draft, but would have booed the TV relentlessly had we picked him there with Exum available. You need a lot of luck in building teams... some luck you can make... some of it is dumb luck.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like Saric in the Exum draft, but would have booed the TV relentlessly had we picked him there with Exum available. You need a lot of luck in building teams... some luck you can make... some of it is dumb luck.
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I booed TV when Exum was picked. Even when I had a dream that Jazz will pick him way before the draft.. could have bet on it and made nice money lol.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
No. His QO is just over 4 million. With his injury he has no chance of qualifying for the starter criteria, which means that his QO is the same as the 15th pick.
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I just went off of what was listed... I think the Jazz would let him save some face and maybe give him a 2 year deal at like 13-14 with second year a PO... worst case for Exum.
 
fgcamel said:
In terms of skill? Of course not.
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Ok, cool. People trying to look back into Steph Curry situation and saying that Jazz may get a star with cheap contract aka GSW got with Curry ignore the fact that Curry was oozing talent before his ankle injury at the level Exum never came close so far. Same with Embiid. Dude was a lock to be a star. So not sure we can say that injuries do not matter - Exum is much lower level talent and ceiling compared to Curry or Embiid.
Trying to think about similar player who got good contract despite injury after just couple mediocre years? W.Matthews was mentioned but he was solid and proven player already.
 
That embiid contract is crazy. I don't see anyone saying there are team options there. That is franchise crippling if his injuries continue.
 
MVP said:
Ok, cool. People trying to look back into Steph Curry situation and saying that Jazz may get a star with cheap contract aka GSW got with Curry ignore the fact that Curry was oozing talent before his ankle injury at the level Exum never came close so far. Same with Embiid. Dude was a lock to be a star. So not sure we can say that injuries do not matter - Exum is much lower level talent and ceiling compared to Curry or Embiid.
Trying to think about similar player who got good contract despite injury after just couple mediocre years? W.Matthews was mentioned but he was solid and proven player already.
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I also think comparing curry to Embiid is silly as well.

Curry had one season which was pretty similar to Embiid last year in terms of time on the court, but that was also backed up by two fully healthy seasons.

Embiid has played 31 games, in 3 seasons, at 24 minutes a game. Due to issues that have completely derailed guys his size in the past.

Yes, he is incredibly talented, but that is a huge risk.
 
fgcamel said:
I also think comparing curry to Embiid is silly as well.

Curry had one season which was pretty similar to Embiid last year in terms of time on the court, but that was also backed up by two fully healthy seasons.

Embiid has played 31 games, in 3 seasons, at 24 minutes a game. Due to issues that have completely derailed guys his size in the past.

Yes, he is incredibly talented, but that is a huge risk.
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Embiid didn't take a discount like Curry did... that deal is not good. Maybe if the last year or two (not sure if that is legal) are TO then its okay, but man that is a lot of money.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What if we offer $35M and he doesn't see that as good. Him accepting the QO (which we will extend to make sure he is restricted) might be his only option if he doesn't want to lock in.

Nerlens Noel turned down $80M this year (or close to it) and has made less money and had serious injuries. These guys have irrational confidence... Noel got the QO.

I could see a similar stalemate happening... I could also see him being smarter than that and going for something in the range of 30-40M. I don't know that the Jazz will offer that.

I can't imagine this would play well in the media, but I wonder if we did a 4/30 right now if he'd take it. Would save us some cap room because I think his caphold is like $10M.
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I would love a 4/30 and be down with a 4/40
 
fishonjazz said:
I would love a 4/30 and be down with a 4/40
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Some may say your numbers are crazy, but I think that's actually a good ballpark. At worst - based on what we saw in summer league and two preseason games - Exum looked like he'd be a very good backup, with a lot of upside. Maybe a team option for the 3rd and 4th years in case he doesn't recover fully from his injury?
 
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