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David Locke - Utah Jazz are NOT tanking

Handlogten's Heros said:
Wait so we lost to a non-competitive tanking team that is so bad they lost 16 straight games? I have a hard time believing that. I mean they played Doug McDermott last night and he's old... tanking teams would have offloaded that guy.

I guess we were just short handed last night... man how did we go from the best bench in the league to being so short handed we are playing two way guys and guys on 10 days? Weird.
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You still dont get it. The trade made us worse, but it still wasnt a tanking trade.

How do you always circle into the same points? I establish two things now, please never repeat them claiming I have ever argued them:

The trade didnt make us worse.

You dont need to trade everything to tank.

I gotta hit the sack as its past midnight.. but we can take it from here as I do find this funny now that you are keeping it more civil.
 
HermanG said:
You still dont get it. The trade made us worse, but it still wasnt a tanking trade.
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Makes perfect sense... my bad.
HermanG said:
How do you always circle into the same points? I establish two things now, please never repeat them claiming I have ever argued them:
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Because the truth doesn't change.
HermanG said:
The trade didnt make us worse.
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Oh... I must be confused because you literally said "the trade made us worse" like two sentences ago... my bad.
HermanG said:
You dont need to trade everything to tank.
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I agree.
HermanG said:
I gotta hit the sack as its past midnight.. but we can take it from here as I do find this funny now that you are keeping it more civil.
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My posts put you to bed like a Steph Curry dagger three.
 
HermanG said:
You still dont get it. The trade made us worse, but it still wasnt a tanking trade.

How do you always circle into the same points? I establish two things now, please never repeat them claiming I have ever argued them:

The trade didnt make us worse.

You dont need to trade everything to tank.

I gotta hit the sack as its past midnight.. but we can take it from here as I do find this funny now that you are keeping it more civil.
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Tremendous Upside said:
Beasley was absolutely terrible for us before the trade.

He played zero defense and couldn't hit the broad side of the barn.

He literally shot us out of several games.

Vando was a tweener with no ball skills who didn't fit with our young starting center. Conley is almost retired. NAW may or may not be an NBA rotation player. You never know what you're gonna get.

I had no problem with sending these guys out. I just wanted a useful player or two coming the other way.
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Okay now compare what those guys bring to what Tech, THT, JTA, Juzang, Dunn… how they looking now
 
OK, I've stopped reading today. Don't have time.

But I hope you all recall how far we've come from where we started this debate earlier in the season. Back then, one of the major fears was finishing in the dreaded zone of middling picks that had kept the Kings and the Knicks of the league in NBA "purgatory" for so long. Anything from about pick 7 to pick 16 would be dooming us to years of mediocrity. Back then, I'll bet half of the board would have been insisting that anything lower than a #5 pick would be a failure of a monumental proportions for the Jazz. Now the tankers are all shooting for a Kings-level 7th or 8th pick.
 
If Danny really is thinking tank or die with these recent moves, I would be surprised.
All he really accomplished at the deadline was lessenning the odds of winning, by decreasing the depth this roster needed to be competetive in the playoffs. Well, without younger unproven players stepping up, consistently, which they probably won't do in that setting even if they do now.
I think he knew this was the case, and wants to know exactly what he has going into the summer with 3 draft picks in the first round. granted a higher pick would be nice, but if you don't know what you need what difference does picking at 8 vs 15 really make? Unless you think talent development figure it out later is the new DA mantra despite it never being his style.
I trust he picks the fit he wants late lottery knowing what he has is the plan over just picking for upside a few picks earlier and having to trade somebody later.
 
idiot said:
OK, I've stopped reading today. Don't have time.

But I hope you all recall how far we've come from where we started this debate earlier in the season. Back then, one of the major fears was finishing in the dreaded zone of middling picks that had kept the Kings and the Knicks of the league in NBA "purgatory" for so long. Anything from about pick 7 to pick 16 would be dooming us to years of mediocrity. Back then, I'll bet half of the board would have been insisting that anything lower than a #5 pick would be a failure of a monumental proportions for the Jazz. Now the tankers are all shooting for a Kings-level 7th or 8th pick.
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I think for many of us the thought was we were a 30-35 win team and needed to be in the mid 20s. There is a difference between relying on the vets and ending up with 35 wins and the 7/8 best odds and being where we are now stripping the roster to get to 37-39ish wins and the 7-9th best odds. We have at least two building blocks but maybe 3-4. If Lauri was Cavs/Bulls Lauri and Walker was just an okayish rookie… winning 35ish wins is purgatory. There are different levels of tanking… I will take the current path over what I thought the path would need to be to start the season. We’ve also seen some tiers developing in the draft and the Minny pick is better than expected… so top 4 pick is less necessary.
 
I get that Locke can be annoying, but he's a team employee....what do you expect? Do you expect any team employee to say that the team is losing on purpose. If you're not a big fan of the NBA the concept of losing on purpose, or not caring about winning, is a very strange concept.
 
KqWIN said:
I get that Locke can be annoying, but he's a team employee....what do you expect? Do you expect any team employee to say that the team is losing on purpose. If you're not a big fan of the NBA the concept of losing on purpose, or not caring about winning, is a very strange concept.
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He didn’t have to say anything. He didn’t have to address it even. It’s his show he could talk about anything he wants. The Sexton injury. The plays.., etc..

But Andy Larsen wrote the Tank article so I guess he brought it upon himself to defend the Org and set the record straight I think.
 
ONE LOVE said:
He didn’t have to say anything. He didn’t have to address it even. It’s his show he could talk about anything he wants. The Sexton injury. The plays.., etc..

But Andy Larsen wrote the Tank article so I guess he brought it upon himself to defend the Org and set the record straight I think.
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Locke seems to take pleasure in calling Andy out for some reason. I rarely ever listen to Locke, but I've heard him do it quite a few times over the years.
 
Jingled said:
Locke seems to take pleasure in calling Andy out for some reason. I rarely ever listen to Locke, but I've heard him do it quite a few times over the years.
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Really? Poor Andy…

Locke seems to take pleasure in doing it too which is a little disheartening…
 
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Tremendous Upside said:
Beasley was absolutely terrible for us before the trade.

He played zero defense and couldn't hit the broad side of the barn.

He literally shot us out of several games.

Vando was a tweener with no ball skills who didn't fit with our young starting center. Conley is almost retired. NAW may or may not be an NBA rotation player. You never know what you're gonna get.

I had no problem with sending these guys out. I just wanted a useful player or two coming the other way.
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So Beasley and Vando were so terrible the Lakers gave their coveted 1st round pick to us over Buddy Hield and Myles Turner?

Conley was so bad the Twolves we’re willing to let D’Russel go?

Wow, ok.. lol

All the while the National media were singing Lakers praises for making the trade and how valuable Beasley and Vando would be and have been for them.
 
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