Deal reached with Iran on Nuclear program

[jazzyapma]

It's about power and control. Those who have it v. those who want it.

So basic explanation is, "We are more powerful than you so we have the right to dictate you to do this, or do that." Not better than a typical primary school bully.

 

[Harambe]

Whose prime directive? I believe that is do not interact with aliens until they reach FTL level. So this rule doesn't apply here.

It was a joke, but pretty close to what's actually in play.

The argument from those with power is that other countries aren't evolved enough to handle the responsibility of nuclear power.

It's kind of stupid.. we've got this great way of getting energy and we horde it for ourselves stating the rest of the world just isn't ready.

 

[jazzyapma]

It was a joke, but pretty close to what's actually in play.

The argument from those with power is that other countries aren't evolved enough to handle the responsibility of nuclear power.

It's kind of stupid.. we've got this great way of getting energy and we horde it for ourselves stating the rest of the world just isn't ready.

And when will they ever be ready if there would be always a big brother telling them what to do? If they are vassals, just tell the people of those countries that they are colonized, and they are not free at all. A bit better than slaves.

We wanted youth movement for the Jazz, remember?

 

[Harambe]

And when will they ever be ready if there would be always a big brother telling them what to do? If they are vassals, just tell the people of those countries that they are colonized, and they are not free at all. A bit better than slaves.

We wanted youth movement for the Jazz, remember?

You ain't gotta convince me at all mang. I'm all for getting nuclear energy from thorium for everyone. Have the UN write up a cookie cutter outline of what each country would need to get a plant rocking. Have the countries supply what they need, and open hiring people from existing countries to come in and train staff on two year contracts.

Still worried about security? Set up the program to require a higher level of security for the areas that are most likely to be an issue.

The political climate of these countries is difficult to work with, no doubt. But It's still worth the risk.

 

[Stoked]

So basic explanation is, "We are more powerful than you so we have the right to dictate you to do this, or do that." Not better than a typical primary school bully.

Almost every country on this earth wants to have an edge. Those who have it wish to keep it and those who don't wish to get it.

 

[jazzyapma]

You ain't gotta convince me at all mang. I'm all for getting nuclear energy from thorium for everyone. Have the UN write up a cookie cutter outline of what each country would need to get a plant rocking. Have the countries supply what they need, and open hiring people from existing countries to come in and train staff on two year contracts.

Still worried about security? Set up the program to require a higher level of security for the areas that are most likely to be an issue.

The political climate of these countries is difficult to work with, no doubt. But It's still worth the risk.

I'm a sci-fic guy. I want the whole world to have the same goal: Space.
To reach that goal, knowledge must be accessible, and must be shared. Who knows who would have a breakthrough?
There is a verse in Quran, "we created you as tribes, for you to meet and understand each other"

 

[moevillini]

You ain't gotta convince me at all mang. I'm all for getting nuclear energy from thorium for everyone. Have the UN write up a cookie cutter outline of what each country would need to get a plant rocking. Have the countries supply what they need, and open hiring people from existing countries to come in and train staff on two year contracts.

Still worried about security? Set up the program to require a higher level of security for the areas that are most likely to be an issue.

The political climate of these countries is difficult to work with, no doubt. But It's still worth the risk.

a country that doesn't have the infrastructure to deliver the electric power that the nuclear plant generates is perhaps a little premature in building the nuclear plant for that presumed purpose...

perhaps?

 

[jazzyapma]

a country that doesn't have the infrastructure to deliver the electric power that the nuclear plant generates is perhaps a little premature in building the nuclear plant for that presumed purpose...

perhaps?

Are we talking about the same Iran that I visited a while ago?

 

[babe]

You ain't gotta convince me at all mang. I'm all for getting nuclear energy from thorium for everyone. Have the UN write up a cookie cutter outline of what each country would need to get a plant rocking. Have the countries supply what they need, and open hiring people from existing countries to come in and train staff on two year contracts.

Still worried about security? Set up the program to require a higher level of security for the areas that are most likely to be an issue.

The political climate of these countries is difficult to work with, no doubt. But It's still worth the risk.

dang. I'm outta rep today.

 

[babe]

I feel like I'm a college prof whose students have risen to the threshold of not needing me anymore. congrats to all for a spectacular thread. . . .

 

[Stoked]

a country that doesn't have the infrastructure to deliver the electric power that the nuclear plant generates is perhaps a little premature in building the nuclear plant for that presumed purpose...

perhaps?

I'm also not fond of any country that talks about wiping another from the map or driving them into the sea dabbling in anything nuclear.

 

[LogGrad98]

Obviously the issue is not suppressing Iran through limiting their means of generating electricity. Obviously the concern is their supposed propensity for violence and the fear they would have no qualms in using a nuclear device in the international relations equivalent of keeping the neighbor's dog from barking.

I think there should be no international sanctions. Population control at it's most spectacular.

 

[babe]

I remember being buttonholed by a minister in the Israeli government and lectured on Iran thirty years ago.

I also have many Iranian friends.

Iranian exiles hoping for a "change" in Iran won't like this any more than Israel will. It "legitimizes" one of the most oppressive governments on the face of the planet, and regime that has more blood on it's hand than almost any other second-tier power. . . . behind only China, Nazi Germany, the United States and China.

Our establishment class of foreign policy activists have been the cause of all that carnage.

 

[Harambe]

a country that doesn't have the infrastructure to deliver the electric power that the nuclear plant generates is perhaps a little premature in building the nuclear plant for that presumed purpose...

perhaps?

So keep them burning diesel and natural gas for another 50 years?

IMO, if we just tack on better security, the benefit greatly outweighs the risk.

Editting for correct energy usage

 

[One Brow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PCQFm7PjWb8

I was waiting in the part of the video where they noted that one of the primary reasons Iran hates the US: we overthrew a democratically elected government to install a repressive monarchy.

My understanding key aspects of the deal:
Uranium for bombs needs to be enriched above 90%. Iran claims to have no uranium enriched above 20% (for medical purposes) and will enrich nothing further than 3% or so (sufficient for power generation). They will also cease any work on heavy-water reactors (so no plutonium).

If there is sufficient verification in place for thise to be established, I have trouble seeing any harm from this deal.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Obviously the issue is not suppressing Iran through limiting their means of generating electricity. Obviously the concern is their supposed propensity for violence and the fear they would have no qualms in using a nuclear device in the international relations equivalent of keeping the neighbor's dog from barking.

I think there should be no international sanctions. Population control at it's most spectacular.

Precisely. And as a free marketer too, that is the positive here. Iran's people should be better off. I'm for that. And any analysis of this situation that celebrates that end is probably correct. I just don't see the cause célèbre from any domestic angle. Seems like pretty ho-hum geopolitical news.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Netanyau is not a fan.

Because Israel is an authority on keeping the ****ing peace.

 

[Gameface]

Obviously the issue is not suppressing Iran through limiting their means of generating electricity. Obviously the concern is their supposed propensity for violence and the fear they would have no qualms in using a nuclear device in the international relations equivalent of keeping the neighbor's dog from barking.

I think there should be no international sanctions. Population control at it's most spectacular.

To me sanctions are like locking your girlfriends cat in the closet without food and water and telling her you aren't going to let it out until she agrees to give you a BJ.

Never been able to understand why starving a nation's women and children is seen as the humanitarian solution.

 

[fallenchicken]

Never been able to understand why starving a nation's women and children is seen as the humanitarian solution.

I agree. I guess it could be argued that this is necessary--that starving women and children and crashing a whole people's economy is justified to stop a much-worse scenario of Iran getting a nuclear weapon and avoiding a war. But I'm uncomfortable with us bragging/celebrating it. The media and politicians brag about successfully tanking the Iranian currency? Doesn't seem like something we should be celebrating.

We shouldn't punish the people for their dictators. We shouldn't make a habit of restricting aid to North Korea just because they're ruled by the contemporary king Joffery. We shouldn't embargo Cuba because we don't like the Castros.

 

[♪alt13]

It was a joke, but pretty close to what's actually in play.

The argument from those with power is that other countries aren't evolved enough to handle the responsibility of nuclear power.

It's kind of stupid.. we've got this great way of getting energy and we horde it for ourselves stating the rest of the world just isn't ready.

Wrong.
Many countries that have agreed to not build nukes under the non proliferation treaty have nuclear power plants.(think Japan) We actually agree to aid in the peaceful uses of radioactive materials(medical power) as long as they don't build weapons.