Deal with Iran = good. Better relations with Cuba = good. Why do Republicans hate the world?
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Makes me sad, it does.
I do care. Whatever you are going through, if anything, know I really do care. Call me if you need anything at all.
I don't care about the Iran talk.
Dude, let's lighten up a little. Annoyed = me. Let's not get into this "care" stuff. If you "care" about me then you've got way more energy and capacity for caring than I've ever seen in the entire world. Let's not throw that **** around so willy nilly. You don't have to care about me. I don't expect you to.
I'm not going through anything. I honestly have very strong feelings about sanctions. It's nothing personal between you and I. Just when you brush it off like maybe some sort of underling will explain it to me, that's dick move ****. You pull that and it absolutely ruffles my feathers. Welcome to me. I've been that way my whole life. Ask any one of my "real" friends and they'll tell you that. Not that I expect you to know that, even as much of a "real" friend as you are and as much as you "care" about me.
Just stop with the ********. You're using words that I take seriously.
I'm not going through anything. I honestly have very strong feelings about sanctions. It's nothing personal between you and I. Just when you brush it off like maybe some sort of underling will explain it to me, that's dick move ****. You pull that and it absolutely ruffles my feathers. Welcome to me. I've been that way my whole life. Ask any one of my "real" friends and they'll tell you that. Not that I expect you to know that, even as much of a "real" friend as you are and as much as you "care" about me.
Just stop with the ********. You're using words that I take seriously.
I don't say "real" words I don't mean. My friends all know that.
I'm glad you're passionate about this ****. We all need something.
I care about you whether you believe it or not..
Game asks me why I think I know so much. Here's the story.
Once I was in a little Christian Church that had the Israeli Minister of Education come speak at meeting. Afterwards, the minister buttonholed me to explain to me why Iran was the worst kind of bad, how they were going to nuke Israel if they got the bomb. I listened, and wondered why he took the trouble. What did he know about me? Did he come all the way to the United States just to deliver this message to me personally. I know, man, this is like conspiracy thinking and stuff, but has Mossad been tracking me for the past forty years? Did he know I trained an Iranian when that Iranian dude first came to the States, and stuff, you know, the Iranian who got all American and started a company and became a billionaire? Or does that Mossad dossier mention about forty other Iranian friends of mine, or what. Or is it because I'm that Jew nobody knows who goes to a Christian Church with maybe ten members who can pay their bills on time.
Anyway, I got the invite to go to Israel and take a two week tour, like a VIP or something. I tell ya, those Israeli army dudes with the guns on every corner, and stuff like that.
If I was Obama, and Netanyahu came to town, I'd roll out a red carpet and serve up some good wine. Netanyahu is buds with someone I used to work for, another billionaire. Amazing what you can learn being a fly on the wall with people like that. . . . If Obama was smart, he'd shut up the community organizer jive and listen a little. That's how I know squat.
I listen to anti-semitics with their smart rewrites of history, you know, the stuff about Khazaria and Edomites and Zionists too, you know, the commie bankers who make their bills off financing wars and stuff, and how the commie Russians made a deal with the Commie Zionists to never make peace with the Palestinians just so Russian agents can make a bad press for the American interests raining bombs all over the world to protect Israel, and stuff. . . .
Then I see Kerry try to negotiate with some Russian counterpart to get Russia to stand down and let ISIS go on more rampage, and then he comes out on British TV saying Assad and the Russians are doing us some good being there with their planes and bombs. When Putin calls Assad, they speak English with one another because Assad doesn't know Russian and Putin doesn't speak Syrian.
Crazy world out there. I better just shut up and listen up.
Once I was in a little Christian Church that had the Israeli Minister of Education come speak at meeting. Afterwards, the minister buttonholed me to explain to me why Iran was the worst kind of bad, how they were going to nuke Israel if they got the bomb. I listened, and wondered why he took the trouble. What did he know about me? Did he come all the way to the United States just to deliver this message to me personally. I know, man, this is like conspiracy thinking and stuff, but has Mossad been tracking me for the past forty years? Did he know I trained an Iranian when that Iranian dude first came to the States, and stuff, you know, the Iranian who got all American and started a company and became a billionaire? Or does that Mossad dossier mention about forty other Iranian friends of mine, or what. Or is it because I'm that Jew nobody knows who goes to a Christian Church with maybe ten members who can pay their bills on time.
Anyway, I got the invite to go to Israel and take a two week tour, like a VIP or something. I tell ya, those Israeli army dudes with the guns on every corner, and stuff like that.
If I was Obama, and Netanyahu came to town, I'd roll out a red carpet and serve up some good wine. Netanyahu is buds with someone I used to work for, another billionaire. Amazing what you can learn being a fly on the wall with people like that. . . . If Obama was smart, he'd shut up the community organizer jive and listen a little. That's how I know squat.
I listen to anti-semitics with their smart rewrites of history, you know, the stuff about Khazaria and Edomites and Zionists too, you know, the commie bankers who make their bills off financing wars and stuff, and how the commie Russians made a deal with the Commie Zionists to never make peace with the Palestinians just so Russian agents can make a bad press for the American interests raining bombs all over the world to protect Israel, and stuff. . . .
Then I see Kerry try to negotiate with some Russian counterpart to get Russia to stand down and let ISIS go on more rampage, and then he comes out on British TV saying Assad and the Russians are doing us some good being there with their planes and bombs. When Putin calls Assad, they speak English with one another because Assad doesn't know Russian and Putin doesn't speak Syrian.
Crazy world out there. I better just shut up and listen up.
The Thriller
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First of all, won't weapons inspectors figure into things?
Secondly, what would be so wrong with Iran having nukes? It would be probably the most stabilizing force in the entire region. No longer would Israel be the only country with them. No longer will Israel be able to bully everyone as much. I think gaining nukes also helps a country realize it's own destructive force. That's why Russia and the USA never actually pushed the red button because they knew that by doing so there was no turning back.
Likewise, I think if Iran were to have nukes tomorrow, it would force all parties involved to act as adults finally. You're not going to "win" Iran with more threats, American supported puppet dictators, or invasions. You're going to win Iran by engaging them and treating them as equals.
Listen folks, we created the Ayatollah in Iran. We built that. So if we don't like the ultra conservative extremist government that they currently have, then maybe we should change our strategy with them? Since the end of WWII we've tried to control them. needless to say it hasn't worked.
So maybe actually growing up and treating them as adults might work? And if that means them gaining nukes then so be it.
Hell; I truly don't understand the mistrust. The only country that has ever used a nuke on another country is us. We have no room to accuse Russia or Iran of a using the atomic bomb as a weapon.
The Thriller
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Anyone who believes that Iran would ever use nukes needs to strip in front of an X-ray machine and sterilize themselves.
Lots of right wingers have this fear. They're idiots who probably still believe that we can deport all Mexicans, that bush kept us safe, and that tax cuts for the rich will help the 99 percent.
Iran will never use a nuke. They know that as soon as they do the world will come after them. Christians, Muslims, atheists, everyone.
The chances of North Korea overtaking China in GDP is much higher than Iran ever using a nuke to attack anyone.
Lots of right wingers have this fear. They're idiots who probably still believe that we can deport all Mexicans, that bush kept us safe, and that tax cuts for the rich will help the 99 percent.
Iran will never use a nuke. They know that as soon as they do the world will come after them. Christians, Muslims, atheists, everyone.
The chances of North Korea overtaking China in GDP is much higher than Iran ever using a nuke to attack anyone.
♪alt13
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Sanctions do work. This deal is evidence of that. Iran doesn't come to the table if sanctions were never imposed. I think you're wrong that sanctions just effect the poor and that that is the goal. It effects the finances of a nations elites drastically. It also makes it harder for a government to fund itself.
I thought for a long time that we should mind our own business and withdraw but I have softened to a certain extent. I think that I have been lazy in my thinking and sometimes intellectually dishonest with myself. It is too easy to blame the American government for all the worlds problems. I think if we are truly being honest, we have to conclude that if the US was less engaged the world would likely be much worse than it is in many ways.
The US sometimes makes mistakes, oversteps, or does some straight up ****ed up **** but on the whole the net effect of American engagement around the world has been positive.
I thought for a long time that we should mind our own business and withdraw but I have softened to a certain extent. I think that I have been lazy in my thinking and sometimes intellectually dishonest with myself. It is too easy to blame the American government for all the worlds problems. I think if we are truly being honest, we have to conclude that if the US was less engaged the world would likely be much worse than it is in many ways.
The US sometimes makes mistakes, oversteps, or does some straight up ****ed up **** but on the whole the net effect of American engagement around the world has been positive.
Harold Ballz
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Well, at least most people the world over came up positive with the US after WWII.
Could've been more positive with the likes of Stillwell and Patton getting elected President instead of Eisenhower.
DutchJazzer
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not going into this deal. but the iran deal also has democratic opposition.
even democrats voting for it thinks it is a bad deal.
but whatever floats your boat bro!
a minority believes in this bad deal
even democrats voting for it thinks it is a bad deal.
but whatever floats your boat bro!
a minority believes in this bad deal
♪alt13
Well-Known Member
Did Patton try to get the nomination?
Patton died in a car "accident" that has cult conspiracy theorists still talkin'. Stillwell died from surgery for stomach cancer. Funny thing, these guys don't get hit by bullets, but cars. Patton wanted to just drive on to Moscow, really. Stillwell was an oriental expert, lived in China for years prior to the war and would not have sat quiet while Mao took over.
DutchJazzer
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Obama is now the NUMBER 1 sponsor of terrorism.
I don't like the idea of Iran having nukes because I take them at their word. They say they want to destroy Israel and America and I believe they do. I'm not so sure that they would use a nuke on Israel but it is a power symbol for them. It draws others to their way of thinking (for example Iraq).
But sanctions at this point, sorry Mrs. Fiorina, is a failed policy. It will never work. Why? Because there is a growing group of nations that are breaking rank with America, for various reasons, all over the world. Russia and China are doing business with Iran and as an extension their lackeys would be willing as well. For sanctions to work you would need to cut Iran off entirely. Not simply block off one of two roads...
So all that is left is either ignore Iran completely (horrible idea), go to war with Iran (even worse idea) or talk to Iran (decent option).
But sanctions at this point, sorry Mrs. Fiorina, is a failed policy. It will never work. Why? Because there is a growing group of nations that are breaking rank with America, for various reasons, all over the world. Russia and China are doing business with Iran and as an extension their lackeys would be willing as well. For sanctions to work you would need to cut Iran off entirely. Not simply block off one of two roads...
So all that is left is either ignore Iran completely (horrible idea), go to war with Iran (even worse idea) or talk to Iran (decent option).
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Good post
yeah, it was better when the Communist block countries were still communist because then they couldn't afford to trade anything with anyone other than each other - - besides, their goods were so poorly made that very few wanted them anyhow - - so they couldn't take any actions that would have much effect on any sanctions or embargo
now that we're trading with them, they can then turn around and trade with others and it's just not the same as it was during the "Cold War" years
By having Russia and China flaunting any American demand for sanctions it dies. There are several things that a country, like Iran, would want from China and Russia. For example Russia has some of the best surface to air missile systems in the world. Not to mention China is now the largest economy in the world...
Lines are being drawn...