Game Thread Dec 22, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Wizards

[fishonjazz]

ROTFL!! What fantasy land do you live in??

Look I fully understand the draft is a crap shoot, but it’s the only way we are getting stars, the only way. Markkanen though a good player isn’t a star. Clarkson, not a star, Sexton, not a star. In what fantasy land is this team as constructed a contender? But hey, I’m sure Kevin Durant is just biting his time just waiting to sign with us. Lol

Did you know that players can be traded for? Draft and free agency isnt the only way to get a star.

Cleveland is a small market team who literally just traded for a star.


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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Oh how may I count everything wrong with what you say.

I live in reality. I see a bunch of guys who are intriguing and playing better than expected. I dont know if they can or cannot win in the playoffs.... nor do I pretend to know, like you do.

Sure, no one can see the future but no one outside of jazz fandom would say we have any kind of chance. Lol

On paper, Markkanen does not have many things working against him... so stating he cannot blossom into a star seems foolish. He is for the first time put to a situation where is the #1 option the opponent is trying to take away.. and he seems to be producing pretty nice numbers regardless.

Lol, he hasn’t been the #1 option, he doesn’t even shoot the most on the team and Beasley and Sexton who both come off the bench are on par with him. He doesn’t have the killer instinct to be a star. Maybe in the future he develops that, but that doesn’t change the fact we should’ve tanked this year. Guys like Agbaji and Simone should be playing more to see what we truely have.

And if we are dealing in reality Markkanen isn’t leading us anywhere this year.

And due to our system of sharing... he isnt getting the touches and FGA the elite guys do. He is literally #1 in the NBA in 3P% and has elite efficiency inside... just lacking superstar usage. His average rank in all advanced all-around stat categories was what 12th best in the NBA? And some of those stats reward higher volumes...

He’s 9th if 3pt %. He’s lacking superstar usage because he refuses to. Not because of sharing the ball. We have moments of sharing.

Superstars are really made in the playoffs. Lets get these guys there and see if we have one...

Lol just lol not much more to say there.

PS: Durant is a bad example. He has 2 chips, both with Steph, Draymond and Klay. Lots of OP Big 3 teams with KD+other stars around him have just blatantly failed.

I’m Merrily pointing out we aren’t signing a star, that we have to draft one.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Stockton and Malone 16th and 13th.

I’m sure that one % chance of that happening will come in the next few years

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Did you know that players can be traded for? Draft and free agency isnt the only way to get a star.

Cleveland is a small market team who literally just traded for a star.


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We aren’t trading for an actual superstar. Just the fools gold kind that won’t get us anywhere. Lol, Mitchell ain’t getting Cle over the top and already had a stacked team. Mitchell isn’t a guy that joins the team and you say they are going to win it all.

 

[fishonjazz]

We aren’t trading for an actual superstar. Just the fools gold kind that won’t get us anywhere. Lol, Mitchell ain’t getting Cle over the top and already had a stacked team. Mitchell isn’t a guy that joins the team and you say they are going to win it all.

Lol. We have had ainge for a very short time. You already saying what he can and cant do. That is silly.
I disagree on what you say about mitchell. Cleveland now has a shot. Prior to mitchell joining they didnt.
Mitchell is a star player. This will be his 3rd or 4th all star appearance in a row. With many more to come.


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[fishonjazz]

We aren’t trading for an actual superstar. Just the fools gold kind that won’t get us anywhere. Lol, Mitchell ain’t getting Cle over the top and already had a stacked team. Mitchell isn’t a guy that joins the team and you say they are going to win it all.

We are just as likely to trade for a superstar as we are to draft one. Which is to say that neither thing is likely. At least with the trading oprion we get to see what the player looks like in the actual nba so if you can trade for a star its more of a sure thing. Drafting a star rarely works out the way the team expects it to. Way higher rate of failure when drafting a star vs trading for one.


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[HermanG]

Oh how may I count everything wrong with what you say.


Sure, no one can see the future but no one outside of jazz fandom would say we have any kind of chance. Lol

Lol, he hasn’t been the #1 option, he doesn’t even shoot the most on the team and Beasley and Sexton who both come off the bench are on par with him. He doesn’t have the killer instinct to be a star. Maybe in the future he develops that, but that doesn’t change the fact we should’ve tanked this year. Guys like Agbaji and Simone should be playing more to see what we truely have.

And if we are dealing in reality Markkanen isn’t leading us anywhere this year.

He’s 9th if 3pt %. He’s lacking superstar usage because he refuses to. Not because of sharing the ball. We have moments of sharing.

Lauri ranks 116th in touches and 148th in passes received. So you are saying he "refuses to be a superstar" means he refuses to touch the ball or have the ball passed to him?

You really are an idiot. Watch the games.

Our system prioritizes the open man, and Lauri is never the open man. Just like any other star player, he gets more closely guarded and they dont want him to have the ball. Hardy runs plays to get him the ball, but not nearly as much as other teams run for their stars. Why? Because our offense is damn effective with the system we have.. so dont fix it if it aint broken.

Can Lauri step up and be effective if we call his number more? No reason to believe he cant. Absolutely no evidence. In fact, he has plenty of 30+ games as evidence he can.

PS:
Its nice you drop the attempts required to get him down because 9th in NBA is just bad. No way 7" guy should rank that low.

 

[Agent#00]

i think Hardy has given Lauri alot of opportunities already to succeed. its up to Lauri to take it up a notch. He may be the most efficient scorer in our lineup but still playing like a #2 guy. somebody need to tell him its ok to ballhog sometimes and impose his will on a defender. you can see clarkson , sexton and beasley take their turns. there are plenty of plays when Lauri just pass the ball when a defender is in front of him. why not beat the guy instead ? if he keep on doing this he wont have many touches come playoff time.