Game Thread Dec 28, 2022 08:00PM MT: Jazz at Warriors

[Step-Back Hook]

I think lauri missing shots is mostly endurance issues? He's very active from 1-3 then 4Q just sit in the corner and go for rebounds. Spurs targeted him late in the game 1v1 they must have sensed he's gassed. Need to preserve him in the 4th I think.

Half of it. But he has missing more the easier looks around the rim again now. When he was more inside to out with his game to start the season he was automatic. Now it has been flipped a bit. If he finds the perfect balance in the future it will raise his ceiling from borderline All-Star to a lock on it. Of course we need him take those ten threes a game too - as far he is making them with this rate.

EDIT: If that Collins trade went thorugh or if someone like that will -. that means we might at times cut some of Lauri's minutes in the first three quarters and have him being more fresh on 4th. Also his fitness seems better than last season so barring injuries it should be even better on 2023-24.

 

[mcbsst]

They had a guy starting against us that’s on a 2 way contract. A 2 way ****ing contract. A team that didn’t play 3 of their top players. Lost to the terrible spurs before this game. I think the hot start pushed my expectations a lot. We are a bunch of cast offs. We can’t win a playoff series against anyone.
Sorry, just feeling depressed about this team right now

 

[HermanG]

I think lauri missing shots is mostly endurance issues? He's very active from 1-3 then 4Q just sit in the corner and go for rebounds. Spurs targeted him late in the game 1v1 they must have sensed he's gassed. Need to preserve him in the 4th I think.

I dont know where this "sit in the corner" notion comes from. He drove to the paint for that turnaround fadeaway, had that one play with a spin move on the perimeter and drove in for a layup where I thought he was fouled by Draymond. Also took two threes from above the break... He did have a corner 3 miss as well but that was him rotating to the open area when Vando came out of the corner.

He missed his shots in the 4th. He was hot before he went to ride the pine in the 3rd, but lost his touch. I thought few of his shots were the types he automatically makes. It wasnt his legs.. he was moving smoothly, hustling back to defense etc.

 

[HermanG]

They had a guy starting against us that’s on a 2 way contract. A 2 way ****ing contract. A team that didn’t play 3 of their top players. Lost to the terrible spurs before this game. I think the hot start pushed my expectations a lot. We are a bunch of cast offs. We can’t win a playoff series against anyone.
Sorry, just feeling depressed about this team right now

Yeah I'm having tanking thoughts as well after these two losses... and I have probably been the most anti-tank guy in this board maybe (Elizah Huge as well). I dont know why we suck against inferior teams and play well against good teams. We just blew out two better teams in our home court, and then we lose with a healthy team to the Spurs who play youth minutes and GSW who play scrubs.

Here is a fun fact. Kelly Olynyk shoots better on the road than in Vivint for whatever arbitary reason. JC is very consistent. Lauri is outlandish at home and while his shooting% drops to mortal levels on the road its still pretty good and his point production is equal. For whatever reason he has 10 double doubles on the road and only 3 at home.

However, there are two guys who produce significantly less. Our 3PT specialist Beasley shoots below league average on the road and barely eclipses his FGA number with his point total... and Conley... well lets just sayt he shouldnt shoot much on the road based on those numbers. Thats 7.1 points less production from two of our starters in just 2 minutes less on-court time between them.

Our team stats in road games:


For comparison, home games:

 

[Step-Back Hook]

Shooting differences home vs. away with certain ballers might be about how much of their shot is relied on hand-eye coordination vs. the feeling of the shot. If Beasley or Conley is having same trend through his career - which idk - then for sure it might have some reason.

 

[fishonjazz]

Hardy seems to ride Sexton more than any other player on the team.

Ya both him and NAW barely played last night. Maybe if they play more then we win. Conley playing 32 minutes in a road loss when he shoots 2-11 is not good. If we gonna lose anyway then lets develop some guys to get some wins down the road.


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[fishonjazz]

Nice ball watching on b2b 3's, Rudy Gay.

Rudy gay for the game: 15 minutes, 2 points, 1 rebound, zero assists, zero steals, zero blocks, zero free throw attempts, zero percent from 3.
He keeps earning his minutes at least.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

These are some great losses

 

[fishonjazz]

Kelly Olynyk is such a bum, my hell.

The only redeemable thing about him is his flopping, and I hate watching it.

Im ready to go with the rebuild/tank/youth movement at this point. Really hoping we dont have conley, KO, or rudy gay much longer. Lets ride the young guys and see what happens. Win or lose i dont really care. Would prefer wins but losses are ok too if we are developing the young guys more.
Im on the fence about Clarkson. Seems like we are trying to extend him so i think he will stick around. Im ok with that.


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[fishonjazz]

Beasley in the last 5 games:

10/46 from 3 (21.7%)

24/70 from the field (34.3%)

That is just atrocious.

Thats almost as bad as rudy ****ing gay. I never thought beasely could go that cold.


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[fishonjazz]

This is why Lauri is not a superstar, and feel uncomfortable calling him even just an allstar. He rarely shot the ball in the second half, and a good number of his shots in the fourth were desperate shots. He doesn’t demand the ball and sometimes gives it up too early. I think this can and will be fixed, but he must demand the ball and have that dawg in him.

29 points and 16 rebounds from lauri and you point to this game as the example of why he isnt an all star. I dont think any player in nba history has averaged 29 points and 16 rebounds and not made the all star game. Hell, if he played every game like last night he would be an mvp candidate.


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[fishonjazz]

To no one's surprise, Gay took a contested 3 and missed instead of passing it to a wide-open Kessler under the basket.


View: https://twitter.com/NBASarah/status/1608347213859794944

Simone and/or Ochai should get all of Gays minutes.


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[fishonjazz]

So, you think he played like an allstar in the second half? How often would you say he’s looked like an allstar in the second half? How often has he been on pace to score 40 in a game by half time only to see him sit in the corner the entire half as he’s disappeared.

This isn’t me slandering Markkanen, this is the farthest from the truth this is me playing quality control. He wants to be an allstar, then he needs to learn to play like one.

He is playing like an all star. He is literally the most efficient scorer in the nba and is averaging all star level numbers. I get that you want him to be even better. But he is playing like an all star.


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[HeatCheck]

Im ready to go with the rebuild/tank/youth movement at this point. Really hoping we dont have conley, KO, or rudy gay much longer. Lets ride the young guys and see what happens. Win or lose i dont really care. Would prefer wins but losses are ok too if we are developing the young guys more.
Im on the fence about Clarkson. Seems like we are trying to extend him so i think he will stick around. Im ok with that.


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I guess so on Clarkson but some of those careless passes almost look like he was either high or point shaving. Just really awful decision making with the ball last night. I'd understand if he was still a youngin' but he's a seasoned veteran at this point. The Warriors G league players weren't making those types of poor decisions.

At this point I'm definitely fine if they want to move on from Olynyk and Beasley for meaningful assets or upgrades. I'm assuming Conley and Gay contracts are not going to be as easy to move though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

To no one's surprise, Gay took a contested 3 and missed instead of passing it to a wide-open Kessler under the basket.


View: https://twitter.com/NBASarah/status/1608347213859794944

I swear NBA players hate passing to wide open non-skilled centers more than anything in the world.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lauri Markkanen is playing like a borderline top 20 player while be surrounded by mediocrity.

 

[HeatCheck]

Simone and/or Ochai should get all of Gays minutes.


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Agreed. Definitely would like to see them use more Agbaji. It's discouraging to see a 2nd round pick like PBJ get minutes for the Warriors but the Jazz can't play a guy who was picked in the lottery. I wasn't a huge Agbaji fan in the draft but he could potentially hit an open shot or at least hustle on defense a bit. They would be giving up a little bit of size if they play him over Gay/Simone but don't see what they have to lose at this point. Gay is just so washed.

This is just my perception but... his Hardy's mentor was Popovich, who would probably also be playing the vets, but that strategy hasn't been working for the Spurs recently either. Hardy just seems a bit slow in adjusting his rotations. Certain guys, esp the younger ones, get pulled for any mistake while the older guys (JC, Gay, etc) seem to be able to make tons of mistakes with no repercussions.

 

[homeytennis]

Right now Bolmaro, Ochai, Dok, THT, Simone, Juzang and Potter are dead to Hardy. Could they have played a worse 4th quarter?

 

[HeatCheck]

I swear NBA players hate passing to wide open non-skilled centers more than anything in the world.

I actually do think Kessler has some skill but that's for another discussion..

With that said if NAW (THT, Sexton, etc) made that decision with Kessler wide open in the paint they would've been immediately pulled from the game and put in the doghouse.

We got alot of roleplayers on this team and none of them should be above being pulled if they are making bad decisions.

 

[The Thriller]

No more Gay. Been saying it for weeks. Give his time to Kessler, the Kansas kid, the Italian kid, even Doka.

And his refusal to pass it to a wife open Kessler last night reminded me so much of Spida ignoring Rudy Gobert. Why do players ignore wide open bigs under the basket? A guaranteed 2 is still better than any 3. It’s just real weird how the NBA has changed in my lifetime. Get the dunk, especially in a game where outside shooting has sucked.