Definition of JAZZ Basketball?

[Former Member]

Jazz basketball used to be:

#1 Hard nosed, physical, and disciplined. We lived in the paint and FT line. We had a (predictable) but devastating offensive play/strategy. Stockton to Malone... Duron to Boozer/Memo. Currently, we avoid the FT line and paint at all costs and have no strategy or idea what the hell works. We rarely play physical, we're mentally weak, and typically come out lackadaisical. We're in... what? Year 3? And I still ahve no clue what the hell Ty Corbin is trying to do.

#2 We used to play inside out. Not chuck from the outside in. In the old Jazz system the "Big 4" would be the primary scorers while Hayward, Burks, etc would be cutting and slashing to the rim rdy to receive passes from the post players. The PG's primary job was to get the ball to these primary scorers. Today, we have a SG who tries to play PG and 2 PG's who are literally 5 years past their expiration date.

#3 We used to control the tempo, execute until we got the shot that we wanted (even if the shot clock was winding down), and made players in our system better. Duron Williams just reminded us this past week of this fact. Whether it was Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Carlos Boozer, or Duron Williams... Players typically increased while in our system and declined when outside. The exact opposite is occurring right now. We never control the tempo, never execute even good shots, and I honestly can't think of a player in our system who wouldn't benefit greatly by going elsewhere.

#4 Lastly, leadership. Larry, Jerry, Stock/Malone, Duron, etc wanted to win. I'm not so sure Greggy, Ty, and our "star players" are very concerned over that right now. It seems like one is concerned about merely filling his bank account, Ty is busy cheerleading instead of leading, and our "star players" are too concerned with getting theirs so they can request pay increases this summer.

This ... We also had no issue with fouling, and fouling hard!

 

[Former Member]

how many championships did the jazz win in the good ol days bro

We never won a championship, but we always over-performed. Our system made us better than our roster should have allowed.

 

[friendsinmyhead]

i think it is still the goal. HOF players don't exactly grow on trees tho.

the post we are referencing stated that the goal was now to put butts in seats and not to win championships. a championship may still be the goal, but it does not appear that we are trying to acheive the goal at all costs. Therefore it is probably not the ultimate goal. If we were chasing championships Ty would not be our Head Coach.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Jazz basketball used to be:

#1 Hard nosed, physical, and disciplined. We lived in the paint and FT line. We had a (predictable) but devastating offensive play/strategy. Stockton to Malone... Duron to Boozer/Memo. Currently, we avoid the FT line and paint at all costs and have no strategy or idea what the hell works. We rarely play physical, we're mentally weak, and typically come out lackadaisical. We're in... what? Year 3? And I still ahve no clue what the hell Ty Corbin is trying to do.

Deron to Boozer/Memo teams were almost just as soft. They should not have been mentioned. In fact, we avoid the paint so badly we're 8th in the league in free throw attempts per game. Last year, we were 4th. The year before 9th. The five seasons prior we were either 2nd or 3rd. A drop but far from a steep one.

#2 We used to play inside out. Not chuck from the outside in. In the old Jazz system the "Big 4" would be the primary scorers while Hayward, Burks, etc would be cutting and slashing to the rim rdy to receive passes from the post players. The PG's primary job was to get the ball to these primary scorers. Today, we have a SG who tries to play PG and 2 PG's who are literally 5 years past their expiration date.

We may have wanted to play inside out but did we ever truly do so. The three point shot was more or less urban legend.

#3 We used to control the tempo, execute until we got the shot that we wanted (even if the shot clock was winding down), and made players in our system better. Duron Williams just reminded us this past week of this fact. Whether it was Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Carlos Boozer, or Duron Williams... Players typically increased while in our system and declined when outside. The exact opposite is occurring right now. We never control the tempo, never execute even good shots, and I honestly can't think of a player in our system who wouldn't benefit greatly by going elsewhere.

#4 Lastly, leadership. Larry, Jerry, Stock/Malone, Duron, etc wanted to win. I'm not so sure Greggy, Ty, and our "star players" are very concerned over that right now. It seems like one is concerned about merely filling his bank account, Ty is busy cheerleading instead of leading, and our "star players" are too concerned with getting theirs so they can request pay increases this summer.

3 and 4 are pretty much true though I wouldn't say they don't want to win. They just have little leadership and motivating factors to get them there.

 

[The Thriller]

Jazz basketball now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TgtdNg2JJQ

 

[The Thriller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-iY-JueWNw

 

[The Thriller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko1kbwbIJd4

 

[infection]

Jazz basketball used to be this:

Now all we have is this:

 

[Weezur]

Didn't Favors and Kanter, just yesterday, get into a huge fight?

 

[HeavenHarris]

the post we are referencing stated that the goal was now to put butts in seats and not to win championships. a championship may still be the goal, but it does not appear that we are trying to acheive the goal at all costs. Therefore it is probably not the ultimate goal. If we were chasing championships Ty would not be our Head Coach.

disagree. maybe KOC/Jazz mgmt thinks Ty is a championship level coach? don't confuse sincere misjudgment with deliberate sabotage. i do not appreciate you calling me a douche, friend.

 

[mellow]

Jazz basketball used to be this:

I was looking for that. Larry was out of control for a while there, the passion was great, but it was a good thing when he was able to control it better.

 

[infection]

I was looking for that. Larry was out of control for a while there, the passion was great, but it was a good thing when he was able to control it better.

He would have repeated it this year except Warrior fans (or front office/Mark Jackson) instead of Nuggets fans.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Can someone remind me what said defintion of jazz basketball is/waS?

all i know this aint jazz basketball

Boring?

 

[Stifle Tower]

the post we are referencing stated that the goal was now to put butts in seats and not to win championships. a championship may still be the goal, but it does not appear that we are trying to acheive the goal at all costs. Therefore it is probably not the ultimate goal. If we were chasing championships Ty would not be our Head Coach.

The goal during the years with Stockton and Malone was to make money. Larry H. said it several times. He wanted the franchise to be in the black and was very proud that it had been right up until the time Stockton and Malone finished their careers. Belatedly, Larry H opened his pocketbook with the Deron-led teams to try to win a championship. Had he done so when John and Karl were in their primes, the Jazz may have won a couple of trophies.

 

[DutchJazzer]

We never won a championship, but we always over-performed. Our system made us better than our roster should have allowed.

and now we are underperformning
our lack of system makes us worse than our roster should allow

 

[DutchJazzer]

Deron to Boozer/Memo teams were almost just as soft. They should not have been mentioned. In fact, we avoid the paint so badly we're 8th in the league in free throw attempts per game. Last year, we were 4th. The year before 9th. The five seasons prior we were either 2nd or 3rd. A drop but far from a steep one.

atleast offensivly they played jazz basketball.


this years team does not play jazz basketball offensivly defensivly

 

[DutchJazzer]

Didn't Favors and Kanter, just yesterday, get into a huge fight?

and how many minutes do they get compared to anti jazz basketball jeffersucks?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

atleast offensivly they played jazz basketball.


this years team does not play jazz basketball offensivly defensivly

Fair enough.

 

[HeavenHarris]

dutchjazzer is an idiot. dont encourage him with a 'fair enough' bro. the difference between those teams and this one is they had 2 legit hall of fame players on the team. put 2 HOFers on this team and it's back to "JAZZ BASKETBALL" or whatever the hell you wanna call it. tl;dr: dutch is a dbag and HOFer make everything look better. also: dutch is a dbag please neg rape him.

 

[Former Member]

dutchjazzer is an idiot. dont encourage him with a 'fair enough' bro. the difference between those teams and this one is they had 2 legit hall of fame players on the team. put 2 HOFers on this team and it's back to "JAZZ BASKETBALL" or whatever the hell you wanna call it. tl;dr: dutch is a dbag and HOFer make everything look better. also: dutch is a dbag please neg rape him.

I'm making the same observations that Dutch is, and I disagree that all we need is two Hall of Fame players. Sloan ran a system and had an identity... love it or hate it he had one. Corbin doesn't his team lacks an identity... If we had two hall of famers somehow land on the Jazz, I'm convinced Corbin would just run isos... that is NOT "Jazz basketball"

However, I'm not convinced "Jazz Basketball" can exist in the modern NBA. Not unless you build a team with a defensive mind-set and play unselfish offensively. Nowadays players respond better to a Run and Gun chucka-iso-thon that has become the modern NBA... bleh. Even Sloan's later D-Will teams had lost that Defensive edge that Sloan was known for...