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Dennis Lindsey's Biggest Error

It was frustrating watching PJ Tucker go to the Rockets when I probably made like 6 threads saying we should go after him when he was on the Suns.

He's the ultimate buy-low candidate-- hustle player on a **** team who can hit a three on occasion and defend multiple positions.

We've done a decent job of grabbing players of this ilk but this was one that I was perplexed with us never going after.

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The Hayward thing was unavoidable, we tried our best. We hitched our wagons to Hayward instead of Millsap, and I'd say that decision was a wash given that Hayward's best season was at least on par (if not better) than Millsap's career-best season.

The Trey Lyles pick was terrible, the Grayson Allen pick is looking terrible, the Tony Bradley pick was god-awful. Donovan Mitchell pick is godlike, as was Rudy.

All said and done, he's my favourite GM in the NBA and I wouldn't switch him for anyone else (nope, not even Ainge and his "i'll trade 4 picks for Winslow" headass).
 
Jazz4ever said:
What stat would you like to use to prove Paul Millsap is significantly better than Derrick Favors?

Lifetime stats:

PER (Millsap/Favors)
19.1/18.7

TS% (Millsap/Favors)
0.558/0.553

Rebounds per36
9.1/9.9
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Care to dig up their +/- or W-L record? Or how in he **** you came to the conclusion that they are equals in spreading the floor? Or what percentage of games each has missed over their careers?
 
I can't believe there are fans out there so blinded by bias that they actually try to say that Favors was near as good as Millsap. I mean come on people. Millsap was awesome for us and amazing with Atlanta.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Care to dig up their +/- or W-L record? Or how in he **** you came to the conclusion that they are equals in spreading the floor? Or what percentage of games each has missed over their careers?
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If you believe those stats will support your case, dig them up. Millsap has probably missed fewer games to injury, but how are you supposed to predict that?
 
LoPo said:
I have never understood why people ever thought Favors was a beast. He only had three years of his entire career where he averaged over 8 rebounds. Ironically enough, his highest rpg (8.7) was the year after we let Millsap go. You know how many rpg Millsap averaged the season before? You got it, 8.8. Millsap has had 4 years averaging over 8 rpg. He even had one year averaging 9. You also have to consider this - Millsap was used as a ball handler in Atlanta and was taking over 3 3pt's per game. Since Favors has no range, he is actually hanging around the basket a bunch more than Millsap. And, he still didn't get as many rebounds. So no, Favors is not a better rebounder.

Favors has averaged 1.3 blocks per game in his career. Millsap has averaged 1. So I guess you got me on that one although I think it's pretty negligible.

As for rolling, well, I disagree with you there. Millsap can be the one setting the pick AND the one with the ball. He has been that versatile. So maybe Favors finishes at the rim a tad better, but I take the guy who can be on both sides of that fundamental part of the game.

Millsap has been a very good NBA player for the last decade. Favors has just been a solid player. It's too bad he never got a chance to be a starting center. That was his best role. But we should have kept Millsap. Terrible move by DL.
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I don't disagree that Millsap would be a better fit and the more versatile player. I disagree with your statement that Millsap was better than Favors at everything.

Remember that at the time, Millsap wasn't a good shooter and just a mediocre playmaker. Put the blame on Ty and DL who didn't recognize his full potential and allowed him to fully develop.

Regarding the rebounding, you are looking at it the wrong way. Total rebounds is a bad indicator (and simplistic one). You need to take into account pace, minutes played, rebounds available, players on the team. For instance, Favors has never averaged as many minutes as Millsap. When Millsap had 8.8 rpg, he also averaged 3 more minutes per game than Favors in his best rebounding season (8.7). And at the same age (27), Millsap had 7.1rpg on 30.4mpg, same as Favors now in only 23mpg. Also, Millsap have played with weaker rebounding centers than Favors (Rudy), which reduces the number of rebounds available. Also, Utah's pace was a bit faster with Sloan than with Ty the Turd and Quin so Paul benefited from playing most of his career under Jerry and of course in fast-pace Atlanta and Denver.

And finally: for his career Millsap has a rebounding rate (rebounds he grabbed that were available) of 14.6%, with his rebounding declining steadily since 2012 (it's been between 12-14%). In contrast, and despite the fact he has played with Rudy, Derrick has averaged a rebounding rate of 16% for his career. This year he is averaging 17.2%, a number Millsap only reached the first year oh his career, when he came into the league as a rebounding machine. Since then it's been a decline. Favors got 17.9% in 2012-2013. To put it in context, that would rank in the top 10 almost any year. You can find all this on basketball-reference. So yeah, based on facts, Favors is a better rebounder.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Millsap needed to leave at the time. The franchise wanted to rebuild. We just should have done it earlier and traded him with Jefferson.
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Yeah, still don't get why we didn't trade Millsap or Big Al sooner. We were going nowhere. It wasn't like Haywood's situation, in which we were all in for a deep playoff run to retain our star player.

We let them walk for nothing and eventually ended up renting our cap space to GSW for crappy picks, facilitating their championship team. Agree we should have traded them earlier. Complete asset mismanagement.
 
Favors rebounds at a better rate because he can only be around the rim because he has no range and can't run any offense. I think it's a weakness more than a strength.

Millsap was, has been and is a better player. If Favors wasn't such an awesome dude, we would have run him out of town for being a disapointment.

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DL's biggest error, as he said it, is that he believes every open shot is a "good shot".

Yeah right, the opponent would love to see Favors and Exum shooting open threes all night every night.
 
jom2003 said:
DL's biggest error, as he said it, is that he believes every open shot is a "good shot".

Yeah right, the opponent would love to see Favors and Exum shooting open threes all night every night.
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well he's not wrong but when you have players like rubio and exum who can't shoot then those open shots become bad as well as bad if they dont take em. I reserve my judgement on DL until 2019-2020 season.
 
yamers said:
well he's not wrong but when you have players like rubio and exum who can't shoot then those open shots become bad as well as bad if they dont take em. I reserve my judgement on DL until 2019-2020 season.
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DL and Quin built everything under the premise of having multiple good shooters that can knock down open looks, which we don't.
 
jom2003 said:
DL and Quin built everything under the premise of having multiple good shooters that can knock down open looks, which we don't.
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like I said, he's blundered pretty hard there but a team that was on fire like the jazz last season is hard to tinker with. It looked like it would just continue into this season, but the problem was it was absolutely fools gold. I saw through that hot streak just b/c we had quite a lot of luck down the stretch with a lot of teams missing key players. The west improved this year top to bottom and here we are.
 
oh and also you should give it until the off-season and rest of this season before you make much more judgement.
 
LoPo said:
Favors rebounds at a better rate because he can only be around the rim because he has no range and can't run any offense. I think it's a weakness more than a strength.

Millsap was, has been and is a better player. If Favors wasn't such an awesome dude, we would have run him out of town for being a disapointment.

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Oh man, what else can I tell you if you don't even look at the numbers or ignore the facts. Millsap's rebounding was only ok even during the years where he played exclusively under the basket. Favors were better. And unfortunately for Favors, he is also spending a lot of time outside the restricted area because of Rudy. More stats for per NBA.com: this season, 42.8% of Favors's rebounds are contested, compared to 32.1% by Paul. Derrick has been pretty good grabbing offensive rebounds in traffic. How can you consider that a weakness?

And while I concur that Millsap have had an amazing career and would probably be a better fit, you get stuck into "he is better at everything", even when the numbers and facts show otherwise.
 
yamers said:
like I said, he's blundered pretty hard there but a team that was on fire like the jazz last season is hard to tinker with. It looked like it would just continue into this season, but the problem was it was absolutely fools gold. I saw through that hot streak just b/c we had quite a lot of luck down the stretch with a lot of teams missing key players. The west improved this year top to bottom and here we are.
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I forgive DL for gambling on Rubio. He could catch fire on some given nights. Same on Crowder, despite his overall low efficiency. But then he decided to gamble on Exum and Favors becoming good shooters as well. It's just not smart teambuilding when you take in so many uncertainties and hope everything goes your way.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
JJ was important for a year. Ingles was a free agent find.... can’t classify him as a draft guy. Booker was a solid addition... the Jonas, Thabo, Ekpe fallback after Hayward bailed was decent work given constraints. He hasn’t had the long term addition success outside of Joe.

I would classify it more as misuse of cap assets. He kept the powder dry and then wouldn’t pull the trigger on anything. Was going to keep the flexibility to use in an extension for Hill then that feel through.

To his credit he didn’t make the Ian Mahinmi mistake... I’ll give him a C in free agency because he’s avoided catastrophe and given us solid role players from time to time.

Look I think he’s a top 5-10 GM and a great fit for us... he’s had some blind spots and defecincies but overall I think he’s got vision and direction. I think waiting for free agency of good deals come along is a mistake... I don’t know what will come up. If he can get a guy like OP jr. or Tim Hardaway or Gallo now and keep open a good amount of cap space for the summer I think he should do it. Banking on landing a FA whale could really backfire.
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88 milioni to Hill aren’t a mistake ?
 
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