Gyp Rosetti
Banned
You're way out of line here. Why would we ever want one of the best defensive minds in the game in either Thibodeau or Carlisle? That makes no sense.
Deron lumping himself in the same breath and kobe and lebron
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You're way out of line here. Why would we ever want one of the best defensive minds in the game in either Thibodeau or Carlisle? That makes no sense.
anonymous832
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What the hell? How are you already "loving" what we got in return? Devin Harris was terrible (and a bad fit for the system, too), and Favors and Kanter are two completely unproven wild cards at this point. This just proves the blatant lack of perspective of so many people on these boards. If the package we got ultimately works out, that's fantastic - but rushing to judgment as if the pieces we got in exchange for Deron are already panning out and proving their worth is simply delusional. What we've gotten in return is, at present, absolutely nothing. We traded for potential, theoretical future success, and as of right now it's still just potential, and still just theoretical. We'll see.
anonymous832
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Oh, and for the record, OP, Deron never said "I'm as good as LeBron and/or Kobe." In any case, it would be perfectly fair for a top-10 player (which Deron is) to lump himself in with two other top-10 players.
The Thriller
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I think Duron is a real good player.
But we'll have to see in the future what he's like without being in the Jazz's system.
Watching Boozer suck this year reminded me of how good our system really is. How much emphasis was given on the PG/PF....
His leadership sucks though. No matter what system he's in. Like King James, he's just not a leader, period. Great player doesn't always translate to being a great leader.
But we'll have to see in the future what he's like without being in the Jazz's system.
Watching Boozer suck this year reminded me of how good our system really is. How much emphasis was given on the PG/PF....
His leadership sucks though. No matter what system he's in. Like King James, he's just not a leader, period. Great player doesn't always translate to being a great leader.
**Malone-ism**
You do realize that you just said the fans are right back where they started, don't you? 180 would have been the proper term. As it is you just sound like an idiot now. Congrats you handi-tard.
Favors, Lamb, and Kanter or Deron limping Williams?
You make the call.
You make the call.
Easy. The first choice appears like another collection of names a team like the Nets would try to build around. Oh wait.
Fishsticks
Banned
Stephen a smith: deron selfish, greedy and dumb
https://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6747406
https://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=6747406
I'm not sure how I feel about the opinion, but I'm very tired of journalists that over-use needless adjectives and hyperbole to sell their views.
Fishsticks
Banned
So what adjectives would you suggest he use? Sweet, swell, super? I think smith makes his point fine.
I'm not takig up for Deron, fwiw. I am just tired of how rampant shock-journalism has become.
Actually, I will share my opinion of the peice. Maybe Smith could have written about Kobe's talks as well as others. I could write an equally damning piece about how the strategists for the players have failed them by not better organizing to show unity. An egregious display of ineptitude on their part ... had the players been forewarned about the do's and don'ts .. had Williams and others been better equiped to show togerthernes???? <<<<< That is not my stance, just an example of spin and perspective.
I'm pretty sure everyone here hates Stephen A. Smith. The guy is a hack and a clown. Deron already gotten approval from the head of the players association that it would help the cause.
I nominate you. Please report back when you've accomplished your mission. Pics would be nice too!
And then there's that, lol.
I just can't remember which side my bread is buttered on.
Am I an NBA player?
Am I an NBA player?
Oh yeah, because teams around the league make a habit of trading 2 proven young big men, ultra efficient veteran PG and a proven "must double team" young wing (2012 GS pick) for a top 5 PG?
I'll say it slower since your parents obviously didn't have a burlap sack handy when you were born. If NJ ended up drafting Kanter and he ended up being Kevin Love lite, got the GS pick and that turned into some Durant-esque wing, Favors progressed into a defensive monster and averaged 18pts and 9rbs a game and Harris developed a 3 pt shot and team running abilities would they still have traded us for Deron Williams? NOPE!
If you think the Jazz made that trade based on what the pieces were at the time you're extremely slow mentally. If you think the Jazz would have gotten a better deal from someone else or by waiting, see the Denver/Carmelo deal.
But by all means, hop in your time machine and let us know how it all turns out.
In all honesty that's sort of unclear.
It could potentially put pressure on the owners but all it's going to take is a handful of bad experiences to make it obvious that playing stateside is better for everyone involved and actually weaken the players' position. For example: Some players that go overseas have a hard time actually getting paid because the owners are upset for one reason or another and essentially say "sue me." If that happened to even a single high-profile player and there as a public legal battle over non-payment the Euro option would be a significantly less credible threat than it is today.
As to the topic of Deron's standing in the league presently I don't think there's any real question he took a big step back last season. Personally I'd rate his performance as outside of the top-5 pgs in the leage last season (who were, in some order, Rose, Westbrook, Nash, Rondo, and Paul), which would obviously take him pretty far away from the top 10 players in the whole league.