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Deron vs. Carmelo trade

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So now, knowing most of the pieces to each deal (Utah is still owed a pick via GS and Denver gets the Knicks 2014 1st rounder), which team got the better deal in return for their superstar, Denver or Utah?

To refresh, here's the recap of each deal:

Denver (incoming): Galinari, Chandler, *Felton, Mozgov, Knicks 2014 1st round pick, GSW 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013.
Denver (outgoing): Anthony, Billups, Balkman, S. Williams and A. Carter.

*Felton later traded for Andre Miller and Jordan Hamilton.
*Billups was waived by NY prior to 2011-12 season.


Utah (incoming): Favors, Harris, Kanter (NJ's draft pick), GSW 1st round pick
Utah (outgoing): Williams

I'm just going to throw out the GSW 2nd-rounders and the miscellaneous players from the trades. It basically comes down to Chandler, Gallinari, Felton and the 2014 1st (probably a non-lottery pick) for Denver vs. Favors, Harris, Kanter and a probable late lottery pick in 2013 for Utah (projecting GS to tank and retain their pick in 2012).

I always thought this was a slam dunk in Utah's favor, but Denver received a lot of value for Anthony. Play the GM and pretend you could go back in time and accept either of these deals for Deron. Had we not had the fortune of winning the #3 pick in the lottery, we would have likely taken Knight at #6 and I'd be inclined to give the most value to the package the Knicks gave up to get Carmelo.
 
Personally I prefer Favors & Kanter over Chandler & Gallinari just because I think quality C/PF are at a premium in this league. You can always get decent wings plus it seems to be that you're getting 2 similar players in Chandler and Gallinari which is too much of a double up in my mind. If you're playing them together then you almost have to play one of them as a stretch 4.

At the end of the day I think it also comes down to the style of player. I think Favors & Kanter suits Utah style of play much better than the run & gun style which is better suited to Chandler & Gallinari.
 
Too early to definitely say which team got the better deal. I like Galinari and Chandler is a very capable player who does alot of things well - but IMO Favors has the potential to be a great defensive big, and Kanter an above-average center in a league lacking traditional 5's who are physical. We'll see what happens with the development of those two and with the G.S. pick, but at this point I would still take Utah's haul 10 times out of 10.

GlassEater said:
Had we not had the fortune of winning the #3 pick in the lottery, we would have likely taken Knight at #6 and I'd be inclined to give the most value to the package the Knicks gave up to get Carmelo.
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The thing is we did have that fortune - and that's the value of having New Jersey's unprotected 2011 first-round pick included in that trade.
 
If these draft picks reach their potential, surely what Utah got was, at least in my eyes, superior. Nets would have had a hard time giving up Favors if thought he would reach his potential.
 
You have to remember that we also wouldn't have gotten Burks if you take the Gallinari, Felton, Mozgov, Chandler package as that team performs better. Probably looking at trading Burks for say Marcus Morris or Vucevic if you take that package instead.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Of course I think it was because it was prophesied 1.4k years ago but that's a different discussion, I don't want to jack a thread!
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Man this is alarming...
 
mhindy said:
You have to remember that we also wouldn't have gotten Burks if you take the Gallinari, Felton, Mozgov, Chandler package as that team performs better. Probably looking at trading Burks for say Marcus Morris or Vucevic if you take that package instead.
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Good point. With the turmoil of a new coach, players unfamiliar with the Jazz system, etc. I'm guessing Utah would have still missed the playoffs. But you're right, a PF/C may have been a more likely choice with the 2nd pick.
 
GlassEater said:
Good point. With the turmoil of a new coach, players unfamiliar with the Jazz system, etc. I'm guessing Utah would have still missed the playoffs. But you're right, a PF/C may have been a more likely choice with the 2nd pick.
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It's possible, but consider this:

Felton - Harris: Wash last year
Galinari + Chandler + Mozgov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Favors last year.

I would be shocked if we had missed the playoffs with that trade.

I will take Burks + Favors + Kanter over Galinari and Chandler all day, every day going forward.
 
...I would never have traded for Melo. He's a cancer, worthless as a team player, and will never win another championship of any kind....unless it's tiddly winks with man-hole covers!
 
Looking at it this way, I feel it becomes clearer.

As of today, would you trade Favors, Kanter, Harris and the GSW pick for Gallo, Chandler, Miller, Mozgof, Hamilton and the Knicks pick in 2 years.

I certainly wouldn't considering Miller is almost out of the league, Hamilton is a nobody, and Mozgof is a pretty standard player. I'd take a Kanter Favors duo over Gallo Chandler to start a team, as would every GM. Then consider the Jazz still have Harris and the GSW pick and the answer becomes very clear.

However, it's also important to note that the Jazz gave up Deron who is by most accounts a superior player to Melo.

But again, if you consider that Denver had to give up Billups as well, and Melo agreed to the extension which makes him more valuable than Deron, and the Jazz still got more pieces, I think we kicked Denver's ***.
 
This is the way that I look at it.

Denver
Galinari, Chandler, Felton, Mozgov, Knicks 2014 1st round pick, GSW 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013 for Anthony, Billups, Balkman, S. Williams and A. Carter

Utah
Favors, Harris, Kanter (NJ's draft pick), GSW 1st round pick for Williams

Denver gave up a lot of talent at two positions of need in order to make that trade happen. Utah was still able to keep Millsap and Hayward in that deal. We gave up less and got arguably the better players. If the GSW pick turns into a stud of some sort, then the Jazz got the better trade by far. After this season I can see the Jazz going back to dominating the Nuggets for a while.
 
I'd take Utah if the NBA was one on one street ball. CarMeloDrama is a loser who poisons clubhouses. Deron is a leader and a winner and is worth way more to a team.
 
Most people around the league seemed to like Utah's haul better at the time.

In hindsight it definitely is. Kanter and Favors look like the real deal as of the last couple games, and that was the biggest unknown. Even if the GS pick gets knocked back a year.
 
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