Derrick Favors Extravaganza!

[vslice02]

Will Favors ever be able to consistently hit and open 15-18 footer? That to me determines whether he eventually ends up an all-star. He's got all the other tools.

Agreed fully. I think he will because he has a soft touch. Most guys don't have that. But it for sure depends on that. Other wise he will be a 15 and 10 guy without that outside shot.

Agree, the mid-range jumper could take his game to a different level - but the shot I want to see Favors develop is that right-handed jump hook, because that's the shot that can take your team to a higher level. When Chris Webber developed that as his go-to move - Sacramento finally had a way to get paint points late in games. When Boozer had his best season (2006-07) he used his jump hook more than he did in any other season in Utah. To be a go-to offensive player - you have to be able to get quality shots late in games and a big man who can consistently hit that 8-10 foot jump hook is more effective than one who has to settle for mid-range jumpers (like a Bosh).

 

[Dr. Jones]

Good post Slice.

 

[MattMan]

Other wise he will be a 15 and 10 guy without that outside shot.

Nah, that's what Jefferson is for, good 10-18 foot jumpers, but horrible inside game. Jefferson will admit he could learn a thing or two from Favors with the way he controls himself in the paint. The only thing keeping Jefferson from being an all-star is interior game.

With how small the league is getting, I really think Favors doesn't need a ton of outside shooting to become an all-star. I'm not saying he shouldn't work on it, because he does, but he really needs to continue to rely on his inside presence. The more he learns and is able to adjust his body during shooting and rebounding, he'll be 24+ and 12+ every night with only a couple 15 ft+ jumper attempts.

Really though, a lot to be excited about with Favors.

 

[Favors Flave]

I was watching highlights of Favors and its ridiculous how good he looks. I really wouldn't be surprised if he turns into a mix of Dwight and Amare. If all goes right, I think his J will be closer to Amare, his D will be closer to Dwight and his quickness will be closer to Amare and rebounding closer to Dwight.

 

[Nate505]

If he has the defense of Dwight and the offense of Amare, that's a sure fire MVP candidate right there. I hope he can reach that potential.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

This this this this this. Why the hell is there 4 pages of this bull....you are all aware that this guy's trolling you right?

Why are the mods not banning this farfignuton. We have 5 pages of this junk, and why!! I'm calling his crap out.

No one is that stupid. Mods grant this mans wish and ban his *****. Wait..... I change my mind banning is to good let's form a linch mob then ban his****

 

[Zerol]

Nah, that's what Jefferson is for, good 10-18 foot jumpers, but horrible inside game. Jefferson will admit he could learn a thing or two from Favors with the way he controls himself in the paint. The only thing keeping Jefferson from being an all-star is interior game.

really? i mean... really?

 

[green]

I really hope we don't draft a PG with the 3rd pick. Only options are Walker and Knight and both of them are shoot first point guards. KOC will make a huge mistake by doing that. It will hinder the development of Hayward and Favors if we do that.

So, you are against drafting Jimmer at 12?

 

[Stifle Tower]

While Favors dunks were fun to watch, I found myslef following him on the defensive end and he showed good defense for a 19 year old rookie. While not great at pick-n-roll defense, I thought he did a good job getting after the ball handler and disrupting the play.

Me too. I was much more impressed by how good he looked defensively for a rookie. Sure he got in foul trouble; that's what happens to rookies. I'll bet 1/3 of those calls go away next season as he starts to get some respect. He's also good around the rim. He had some very nice blocks.

Comparing him to Ronnie Price might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ronnie is a 3rd-string guard who can't shoot. Favors is a 6'10" PF who is going to get a LOT better. I could see him making an all-star team in the next 3-4 years, especially as some of the older players decline and no longer get automatic spots.

 

[Twin Towers]

So, you are against drafting Jimmer at 12?

If he is better than the wing players and big guys available.

I am not against PG's. Its not black and white. PG's are just easier to find than quality wing or big men. Look around the league. The Majority of teams have future PG's or franchise PG's. Its very common.

PG's are easier spots to fill than PF/C and wing players that have potential to become all-stars like Derrick Williams does.

Drafting a PG in the teens is fine. But I would draft Biyombo over Jimmer. But that is only if we don't draft Kanter. If we drafted Kanter than we should probably look at Jimmer. But I think he will be gone before 12 anyways. Kings will draft him or a team will trade up.

 

[green]

If he is better than the wing players and big guys available.

I am not against PG's. Its not black and white. PG's are just easier to find than quality wing or big men. Look around the league. The Majority of teams have future PG's or franchise PG's. Its very common.

PG's are easier spots to fill than PF/C and wing players that have potential to become all-stars like Derrick Williams does.

Drafting a PG in the teens is fine. But I would draft Biyombo over Jimmer. But that is only if we don't draft Kanter. If we drafted Kanter than we should probably look at Jimmer. But I think he will be gone before 12 anyways. Kings will draft him or a team will trade up.

I was just asking because the reason you gave against Kemba and Knight was they were shoot first point guards. Jimmer is a shoot first point guard. You didn't say you were against point guards, just against shoot first point guards. You can't have it both ways. I really don't think point guards are easier to find later though. That is a Jazzfanz board myth. Let's look at the top pg's in the NBA (Last 5 years worth of All-Star games):

Rose - #1 pick
Paul - #4 pick
Deron - #3 pick
Westbrook - #4 pick
Rondo - #21 pick
Iverson - #1 pick
Nash - #15 pick
Billups - #3 pick
Kidd - #2 pick
Harris - #5 pick
Nelson - #20 pick
Williams (Mo) - #47 pick
Parker - #28 pick
Arenas - #30 pick

So, our late round draft picks that become All-Stars are Arenas, Parker, Williams, Nelson, Nash and Rondo. What do they ALL have in common (except for the two time MVP Nash and Arenas who has won nothing and I doubt anyone would want)? Parker - Duncan, Williams - LeBron, Nelson - Howard, Rondo - Garnett/Pierce/Allen. They were all one and done allstars riding the coat tails of their top five draft pick teammates. So unless Jimmer or another late first round pick this year is the next Nash, then you can't find a great pg later in the draft. The top draft picks have been so much more successful individually. They have 9 Conference Finals among them, on teams where they were the ****.

I guess the point is, take the BPA. Don't pass on Knight to draft Kantor just because Kantor is big. Don't pass on Knight to draft Biyombo because you can get a equivalent pg later. Odds are you can't...Unless you have a superstar at another position.

 

[sepanol]

i like the potential Favors has but he should work much much more to be pronounced in the same sentence with Howard. Eventually he cant become like Howard for sure, becuz he isnt as big as him basically, but he should improve his shooting at least, i think he can improve his shooting as good as Amare if he is dedicated enough, but right now, he has lots of way to go and its very difficult to finish close games with him due to his free throw deficiency

I also believe Favors- Hayward is a better couple to build ur team on rather than Dwill -Boozer (they r at least reliable_) , but both of them are better team players rather than individual players thats why they need better players around them them. For example durant and westrbrook made oklahoma almost a contender, evenn with sefalosha, perkins, ibaka near them, but we need more skilled players around favors -hayward. They r not gonna take a limited team and make them contender, but they r gonna take a good team and lift their level much higher.

I also didnt get why everyone overreacted against Price comparison to Favors. Noone with a decent logic would compare their games or positions or whatever, but he compared their side of being good n flashy only in highlights (which i dont agree, favors is much more than just a highlight player) . So i dont think there is a big deal with that, we gotta take things easier

 

[colton]

The only thing that concerns me about Favors is attitude. He seemed much too passive to me last year. For him to become anything like Howard, Amare, etc., he has to develop the type of "I must win" attitude that Deron had.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The only thing that concerns me about Favors is attitude. He seemed much too passive to me last year. For him to become anything like Howard, Amare, etc., he has to develop the type of "I must win" attitude that Deron had.

My concern as well. His interviews usually leave me mystified that he can play at all, or how much better he might be than he is. Because he just doesn't seem to care very much. But what do I know?

 

[sepanol]

but does he have the skills sets as being able to match Howard or Amare? im not sure

 

[vslice02]

The only thing that concerns me about Favors is attitude. He seemed much too passive to me last year. For him to become anything like Howard, Amare, etc., he has to develop the type of "I must win" attitude that Deron had.

Agree - and that was the concern with him coming out of Ga Tech. He has great character so I like to think he's just a 20-year old kid who channels his emotion differently (something that worked fine with guys like Stockton and Duncan), but I am anxious to see him in a situation where someone gets up in his face and how he responds.

 

[Favors Flave]

but does he have the skills sets as being able to match Howard or Amare? im not sure

Well, this is my evaluation on Favors.
Offense- Very good footwork, improving post game, finishes with authority, can pass pretty well, sometimes plays out of control, has good touch on his jumper, not a very good FT shooter though

Defense- Plays good pick and roll D and shows hard on picks, he plays great one on one D and also plays pretty good help D. He does tend to foul a lot but a lot of his fouls were "rookie calls" and he will get more respect as time goes on.

Other notes- With more and more PT, he got more comfortable and eventually started to show emotion, desire and fire. Once he did that, he was much more of a factor. He also rebounds very well and is the only big man on the Jazz that Boxes Out! Of course, I may be giving him too much credit b/c I am his #1 fan. Either way, you got to be excited for the kid

 

[colton]

What he needs most of all in my opinion is experience/playing time. If he doesn't consistently get 30-35 mins/game next season (if there is one :-( ), I will be ticked.

 

[green]

What he needs most of all in my opinion is experience/playing time. If he doesn't consistently get 30-35 mins/game next season (if there is one :-( ), I will be ticked.

I agree...but, with his demeanor, I think Corbin should make him earn it. Corbin needs to tell Favors, you go out and beat up Millsap everyday and practice and I'll play you and start you. Until you do that, you are riding the pine. Light a fire in Favors' belly.

 

[sepanol]

Well, this is my evaluation on Favors.
Offense- Very good footwork, improving post game, finishes with authority, can pass pretty well, sometimes plays out of control, has good touch on his jumper, not a very good FT shooter though

Defense- Plays good pick and roll D and shows hard on picks, he plays great one on one D and also plays pretty good help D. He does tend to foul a lot but a lot of his fouls were "rookie calls" and he will get more respect as time goes on.

Other notes- With more and more PT, he got more comfortable and eventually started to show emotion, desire and fire. Once he did that, he was much more of a factor. He also rebounds very well and is the only big man on the Jazz that Boxes Out! Of course, I may be giving him too much credit b/c I am his #1 fan. Either way, you got to be excited for the kid

i dont disagree, but comparing to howard is not very realistic, howard has too dominant body, favors doesnt have that much powerful. Favors cann be allstar if he works hard and gains experience in time, but he cant be a superstar player at Howards level