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SALT LAKE CITY — Raja Bell doesn't agree with racial implications that accompanied Bryant Gumbel's claim that David Stern is like a "modern plantation overseer, treating NBA men as if they were his boys."

But the Utah Jazz guard did blame the NBA commissioner for the lockout mess.

"I feel like (Stern is) a bit in the way of us making progress here," Bell told Miami sports-radio station 790 the Ticket on Thursday before the owners and union broke off mediated negotiation talks.

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"I feel like he might be in his last few years as commissioner and he is looking to make his legacy on what kind of deal he get can get these owners this time around. I feel strongly about that. I feel like he has been one of the biggest problems in this whole lockout."

Deputy commissioner Adam Silver described Gumbel's shot at Stern on HBO's Real Sports as being "outrageous." Bell doesn't agree with the commissioner's leadership style, but he didn't agree with "the racial part" of what Gumbel said.

"I don't necessarily touch on that. I don't know what David Stern's motives are. I don't know how he views us as players," Bell said. "I do think he rules the NBA with an iron fist, and it is his way or the highway.

"I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy, but the rest of it … I don't know. I don't know where Bryant is coming from. I don't know what he was thinking at the time. I am surely not on the same page as him with some of that."

Bell, who spends his offseason in Miami, also said he believes players and owners need to find a collective bargaining agreement compromise in the middle. But he told "The Dan LeBatard Show with Stugotz" that owners aren't budging and started with low numbers for players on the BRI and mid-level exception.

"I know this always comes across wrong to a fan, but I feel like us as a union we've made concessions," Bell said. "We've tried to get to a position where we felt like the owners would meet us and it seems like every inch we give up they ask for another one. For me that has been the most exasperating part of it."

Bell also made the point that the players are the product in the NBA, so they should be compensated as such. He drew a comparison with an oil company to make his point.

"Shell Oil — whoever runs that company — makes billions and billions of dollars, right? But without the oil they make nothing," he said. "The oil is the product they are selling, and the owners are selling us as the product and without that product there is nothing. You understand where we are coming from when we say 50-50 (split of revenue) isn't exactly 50-50, when you take your operating costs off the top?"

Bell also pointed out that the owners officially pulled the plug on NBA action so far."It is a lockout, not a strike," he explained. "We were in favor of extending the current collective bargaining agreement. … It's the owners telling us they won't let us play. On top of that, the fans need to understand that we really do want to play."

Bell also said there is blame to go around in this impasse.

"I am mad at the NBA machine right now because I think there is a deal to be made. I don't mean to make it sound like I am just mad at David Stern," he said. "I am mad at all of us because I think we all play a hand in not getting a deal done. I think if it wasn't such a personal thing in my mind. I feel like it is more personal than business at times with him (David Stern) and that's just … I can't help, but feel that way. I could be wrong."

First player interview that I have that has singled out and criticized David Stern. Then again, maybe I might have just missed them.
 
It was not my understanding that the 50-50 split being offered was after operating costs were taken out.

In 2004, the reported operating costs for the New Jersey Nets were $117 million, while player salaries (before "Loss on Player Contracts") was only $52 million. Unless I'm missing something, Raja is mistaken. Even if you just count General and Administrative expense ("G&A") expense of $11 million, then the effective split post-G&A expense would be 55-45 or 60-40. Nobody's proposing that, which is why I think that what Raja is claiming is bunk.
https://goingconcern.com/2011/06/who-wants-to-comb-over-the-new-jersey-nets-financial-statements/

Raja might be getting sold a bill of goods by Derek Fisher, the punk superstars, and Billy Hunter.

I don't trust that a union averaging one year or two years of college education understands the financial impact of the partnership between the owners and their product (the players).
 
Raja, as a basketball player is finished, done, kaput! Hopefully, he will be a casualty of the new CBA and be forced to quit or retire.
 
Raja just needs minutes. I hope we don't give .up on him.

Agreed. I really think this is gonna be his year. With Raja leading the way as a player/coach, I'm thinking 50-55 wins, assuming we play at least 62 games. I just hope Ty doesn't make the mistake of playing the young guys too much. The last thing we need to do is piss Raja off and hurt our chances of extending him for 3-4 years.
 
Agreed. I really think this is gonna be his year. With Raja leading the way as a player/coach, I'm thinking 50-55 wins, assuming we play at least 62 games. I just hope Ty doesn't make the mistake of playing the young guys too much. The last thing we need to do is piss Raja off and hurt our chances of extending him for 3-4 years.

Are you joking for another 3-4 years? I would be pissed if I have to watch Raja start over Hayward.
 
It was not my understanding that the 50-50 split being offered was after operating costs were taken out.

In 2004, the reported operating costs for the New Jersey Nets were $117 million, while player salaries (before "Loss on Player Contracts") was only $52 million. Unless I'm missing something, Raja is mistaken. Even if you just count General and Administrative expense ("G&A") expense of $11 million, then the effective split post-G&A expense would be 55-45 or 60-40. Nobody's proposing that, which is why I think that what Raja is claiming is bunk.
https://goingconcern.com/2011/06/who-wants-to-comb-over-the-new-jersey-nets-financial-statements/

Raja might be getting sold a bill of goods by Derek Fisher, the punk superstars, and Billy Hunter.

I don't trust that a union averaging one year or two years of college education understands the financial impact of the partnership between the owners and their product (the players).

I think he's talking about the fact that the definition of BRI under the previous collective bargaining agreement (and presumably this one as well) doesn't cover 100% of all income taken in by the teams. I know, for example, that it doesn't include major portions of luxury suite revenues, stadium naming rights, and advertising revenues generated by the teams. There's also all the knock-on effects of team ownership on other enterprises etc etc.

If his larger point is that players are not being invited in sharing 50% of the total amount of value a team gives to its owner then he probably is barking up the right tree.
 
I think he's talking about the fact that the definition of BRI under the previous collective bargaining agreement (and presumably this one as well) doesn't cover 100% of all income taken in by the teams. I know, for example, that it doesn't include major portions of luxury suite revenues, stadium naming rights, and advertising revenues generated by the teams. There's also all the knock-on effects of team ownership on other enterprises etc etc.
Well, then, that goes to the topic of the "B" in "BRI"; how much is "basketball-related"?

It's not clear to me, also, that the BRI accounts for all of the costs, either, and I still am skeptical that BRI is calculated post-expenses, as my NJN scenario so clearly points out. You appear to be referring to the revenue side, which may or may not be larger than the cost side--at least a portion of which is not included (given that the math doesn't work).

If his larger point is that players are not being invited in sharing 50% of the total amount of value a team gives to its owner then he probably is barking up the right tree.
He isn't barking at all about the notion that average salaries are at or near the top of major professional sports, and that to date there has been no mention of a cap on individual salaries. That--more than the BRI--is why I continue to side with the owners on this, based on the information available.

Do you, Kicky (or anyone), have an opinion on the potential impact of the NLRB (besides dragging this brand-damaging negotiation further through the gutter, win or lose)?

I don't know much about the NLRB, but it appears that the NBAPA isn't gonna win their claim unless there were harsher negotiating tactics than what has been leaked, even though the NLRB has agreed to review the case, suggesting that there might be some merit.
 
Are you joking for another 3-4 years? I would be pissed if I have to watch Raja start over Hayward.

I'm thinking maybe we should trade Hayward for a 2nd rounder or a backup big. That way we can free up more minutes for Raja.
 
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I'm thinking maybe would should trade Hayward for a 2nd rounder or a backup big. That way we can free up more minutes for Raja.

Im thinking back-up big; there will need to be a backup for Kanter after he playes 42mpg, seeing as we'll definitely use our amnesty on Al Jefferson to help Kanter become Malone.
 
I'm thinking maybe would should trade Hayward for a 2nd rounder or a backup big. That way we can free up more minutes for Raja.

A lot of people forget Raja averaged like 14 points for 4 games (in a row) in February. That's when I started making wine from my own urine. I wanted a special way to appreciate all of Raja's 36 minutes a game next year. If everything breaks right, I'll get a few bottles to Harp and my urine will be the new fry sauce.*

*all proceeds to the Starving NBA Players Relief Organization.
 
We've come along way Raja. That is a slap in the face to all the players that went through much worse treatment in the past.
 
Raja signed a 3 year deal right? But the third year was a team option? So he 'played' last season and if this season is locked out, then the Jazz have no contractual obligation to him in the fall of 2012?

Go Lockout Go!!! Lock the doors and weld them shut Mr. Stern. Cancel the season, it only helps.
 
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