Devin Harris for Marvin Williams trade is official
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NotDeadYet
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If KoC says it's so...
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...s-Marvin-Williams-for-Devin-Harris-trade.html
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...s-Marvin-Williams-for-Devin-Harris-trade.html
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I have a good feeling about Marvin.
I'm not going to go nuts and say he becomes our best player, but can see him come in like Harpring did years ago and be much improved.
I'm not going to go nuts and say he becomes our best player, but can see him come in like Harpring did years ago and be much improved.
Brown Notes
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Seems like an odd time for the Hawks to move him, he had a career year in many ways especially his playoff production. Utah might be getting a late bloomer here. Hope he stays healthy.
Compared to Hayward and Evans? Yes.
Hearsky
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The Hawks didn't get to be the most irrelvant franchise in pro sports by accident.
The Fresh Prince
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Still tons of potential left in Marvin, he can blend in well here with the no-superstar style we have at the moment.
jazzrule
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Howk's fans reaction to trade
Thought you might like more of what the Hawk's fans thought of the trade.
Hawks fan here
Marvin is a good solid player, he just never lived up to his potential (Doesn’t help that CP3 and D-Will were drafted after). He’s definitely not an “elite” defender, average to good is a better description. He can hit the wide open threes but he could be much better if he would drive to the basket more. He’ll have 3-4 games a season where you’ll say why doesn’t he play with this intensity and heart all year. Good luck to you guys and I hope he can come around in Utah.
Hawks fan here.
I think you guys are going to be pleased with Marvin.
His biggest problem in ATL was perception, from being drafted in the number two spot.
He was also the fourth or fifth option in offensive “sets”. In an ISO heavy O, Marvin was always a bit lost in the shuffle.
Upside is his stellar D and ability to hit the open, corner 3. He is a good rebounder and has a good work ethic.
Downside is an inability to create his own shot and a lack of body control when driving to the hoop.
If you can get Marvin moving without the ball, he certainly has the ability to finish around the hoop, as well as shoot the open J. His shooting form is excellent and he has good fundamentals. He is also a career 80%+ free-throw shooter.
His ball handling ability would make it unlikely that you would want to see him log any time at the 2 spot, but his length can allow him to cover some 4’s in the league.
This trade is a win-win from my perspective. It gives Marvin a fresh start, where he might be better utilized and it gives the Hawks some flexibility in perusing free agents in 2012-2013, particularly Dwight Howard.
Haha.
He can be ok in the right system. I think he might fit in better there.
I knew trading Joe wasn’t the last move. I don’t know what happened to Marvin after he signed his deal. His game just disappeared mysteriously. Oh well. Now we have our backup PG. Next move….
Great day to be a Hawks fan...
While we may be worse in the short-term, we now have the flexibility to do some awesome things.
Marvin will be a good fit for you guys.
Give him time and he can hit a three, never lived up to his billing as a lottery pick, a good defender. In my opinion he needed a change of scenery and SLC is the absolute opposite of Atlanta. So it could actually good for him in the long run.
For what it's worth I hope Marvin hits his stride with them
It was never his fault that he got drafted #2 or that he signed for an average of $8M. I didn’t like that he spent so much time working on a degree rather than his game, but I think new scenery and a new coach can get more out of him (and he was already a 15 PER). And I agree with their posters that they acquired Mo Williams and had a PG logjam. Marvin should help them and they were already pretty good. Look for Marvin to drain threes off their low post offensive game. Good move for both teams.
and with a larger role asked and better coaching, who knows what happens with him
And on a contract year
guy’s going to play hard.
HERE IS WHAT IT MEANS:
NO MARVIN WILLIAMS
Nothing else matters.
I just don't know about this deal
Doesn’t make much sense to me, honestly.
except in this case we are getting a better player back lol
It's not like it's a pure salary dump
Harris is making $8.5 this year. Marvin did have the player option for $7.5 million, which he would likely have exercised, but it’s not like Marvin was some pariah who didn’t produce at all. He’s a guy who’s going to get paid $5 million to play somewhere, fairly easily, and for a good coach, he could do fairly well. He’s a solid defender, a go all around shooter, and still has some athletic ability. In return, we got a guy who’s going to steal minutes from our good young point guard and gives us something of a traffic jam in terms of point guard minutes next year.
I guess we’re doing everything possible to clear up salary room for 2013, but this deal doesn’t scream “Win” to me.
Marvin is without question the better player
We got worse defensively, and Marvin produced the same as Devin last year offensively. That said you do this trade for the free agent sweepstakes next season
Quick breakdown
Harris is able to play SG or PG and can create his shot. He’s expiring, so it gets Marvin Williams off the cap. Means we can try to land 2 max free agents next summer or we can maintain Josh and Jeff’s rights and still go after 1 max free agent. At the minimum we can maintain a core of Jeff, Josh, and Al had have room to build on it.
For Utah they get a SF who might thrive in their system with their strong low post scoring creating open jumpers and they have a PG logjam.
We don't need a small forward.
Go with bare essentials and tank gracefully as you can and we’ll build this thing fool proof.
Utah's bloggers think they got the better deal
For them it was a better deal
They got rid of Devin Harris, who by the way hasn’t been good since that breakout half season in New Jersey with Vince Carter, and got a shooter in Marvin Williams in which they desperately needed. And if you’re talking player for player, they still got the better deal. It was only a better deal for us in the regard that we’re clearing cap space for next summer.
I’m actually going to miss MarvinRegarless of Money
Harris for Marv straight up is a steal
He still had a better season than Marv
And he fits into our team either as a starting guard or a 6th man. Marv never had a true role for the Hawks. I think he’ll do better with the Jazz but Harris is still the more valuable piece for us.
I'm wishing Marvin greener pastures.
I don’t think he was ever a good fit here. I think in the right system, with a good coach, that Marvin can be a solid second option on somebody’s squad and he is still an excellent defender.
I 100% agree
Hopefully he will find his confidence again in Utah
Your thoughts on their thoughts.
Thought you might like more of what the Hawk's fans thought of the trade.
Hawks fan here
Marvin is a good solid player, he just never lived up to his potential (Doesn’t help that CP3 and D-Will were drafted after). He’s definitely not an “elite” defender, average to good is a better description. He can hit the wide open threes but he could be much better if he would drive to the basket more. He’ll have 3-4 games a season where you’ll say why doesn’t he play with this intensity and heart all year. Good luck to you guys and I hope he can come around in Utah.
Hawks fan here.
I think you guys are going to be pleased with Marvin.
His biggest problem in ATL was perception, from being drafted in the number two spot.
He was also the fourth or fifth option in offensive “sets”. In an ISO heavy O, Marvin was always a bit lost in the shuffle.
Upside is his stellar D and ability to hit the open, corner 3. He is a good rebounder and has a good work ethic.
Downside is an inability to create his own shot and a lack of body control when driving to the hoop.
If you can get Marvin moving without the ball, he certainly has the ability to finish around the hoop, as well as shoot the open J. His shooting form is excellent and he has good fundamentals. He is also a career 80%+ free-throw shooter.
His ball handling ability would make it unlikely that you would want to see him log any time at the 2 spot, but his length can allow him to cover some 4’s in the league.
This trade is a win-win from my perspective. It gives Marvin a fresh start, where he might be better utilized and it gives the Hawks some flexibility in perusing free agents in 2012-2013, particularly Dwight Howard.
Haha.
He can be ok in the right system. I think he might fit in better there.
I knew trading Joe wasn’t the last move. I don’t know what happened to Marvin after he signed his deal. His game just disappeared mysteriously. Oh well. Now we have our backup PG. Next move….
Great day to be a Hawks fan...
While we may be worse in the short-term, we now have the flexibility to do some awesome things.
Marvin will be a good fit for you guys.
Give him time and he can hit a three, never lived up to his billing as a lottery pick, a good defender. In my opinion he needed a change of scenery and SLC is the absolute opposite of Atlanta. So it could actually good for him in the long run.
For what it's worth I hope Marvin hits his stride with them
It was never his fault that he got drafted #2 or that he signed for an average of $8M. I didn’t like that he spent so much time working on a degree rather than his game, but I think new scenery and a new coach can get more out of him (and he was already a 15 PER). And I agree with their posters that they acquired Mo Williams and had a PG logjam. Marvin should help them and they were already pretty good. Look for Marvin to drain threes off their low post offensive game. Good move for both teams.
and with a larger role asked and better coaching, who knows what happens with him
And on a contract year
guy’s going to play hard.
HERE IS WHAT IT MEANS:
NO MARVIN WILLIAMS
Nothing else matters.
I just don't know about this deal
Doesn’t make much sense to me, honestly.
except in this case we are getting a better player back lol
It's not like it's a pure salary dump
Harris is making $8.5 this year. Marvin did have the player option for $7.5 million, which he would likely have exercised, but it’s not like Marvin was some pariah who didn’t produce at all. He’s a guy who’s going to get paid $5 million to play somewhere, fairly easily, and for a good coach, he could do fairly well. He’s a solid defender, a go all around shooter, and still has some athletic ability. In return, we got a guy who’s going to steal minutes from our good young point guard and gives us something of a traffic jam in terms of point guard minutes next year.
I guess we’re doing everything possible to clear up salary room for 2013, but this deal doesn’t scream “Win” to me.
Marvin is without question the better player
We got worse defensively, and Marvin produced the same as Devin last year offensively. That said you do this trade for the free agent sweepstakes next season
Quick breakdown
Harris is able to play SG or PG and can create his shot. He’s expiring, so it gets Marvin Williams off the cap. Means we can try to land 2 max free agents next summer or we can maintain Josh and Jeff’s rights and still go after 1 max free agent. At the minimum we can maintain a core of Jeff, Josh, and Al had have room to build on it.
For Utah they get a SF who might thrive in their system with their strong low post scoring creating open jumpers and they have a PG logjam.
We don't need a small forward.
Go with bare essentials and tank gracefully as you can and we’ll build this thing fool proof.
Utah's bloggers think they got the better deal
For them it was a better deal
They got rid of Devin Harris, who by the way hasn’t been good since that breakout half season in New Jersey with Vince Carter, and got a shooter in Marvin Williams in which they desperately needed. And if you’re talking player for player, they still got the better deal. It was only a better deal for us in the regard that we’re clearing cap space for next summer.
I’m actually going to miss MarvinRegarless of Money
Harris for Marv straight up is a steal
He still had a better season than Marv
And he fits into our team either as a starting guard or a 6th man. Marv never had a true role for the Hawks. I think he’ll do better with the Jazz but Harris is still the more valuable piece for us.
I'm wishing Marvin greener pastures.
I don’t think he was ever a good fit here. I think in the right system, with a good coach, that Marvin can be a solid second option on somebody’s squad and he is still an excellent defender.
I 100% agree
Hopefully he will find his confidence again in Utah
Your thoughts on their thoughts.
Joe Bagadonuts
Well-Known Member
I think Hawks fans are going to be very frustrated when Marvin excels in SLC. A few of them will figure out that the problem was that their playground system of running an NBA team is a total joke. His confidence will return as a result of being in an environment where he's rewarded for playing a role (assuming that Corbin coaches this team the way he should). If Marvin had ended up in San Antonio he would be a feared player at this point in his career. This was a great trade for Utah.
Magic Spray
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HipHopAnonymous
Active Member
Hawks fans are not as bitter and vindictive as Jazz fans
squareinthecircle
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With the way Harris was raked over the coals here I'm surprised there wasn't more of this sort of reaction.
