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Devin Harris on Al Jefferson: Jazz fans will be surprised if they see him

Randolph did have a good season, but that's all why do you think he has bounced from team to team your key statement with Duncan is of the last ten years he's old in the twilight of his career, same with Garnett
 
Sepanol is such a funny guy.

Let's break down how much players cost and what they really mean to their team. ...

1. Kobe Bryant LA Lakers $25,244,000 Great player but not worth it.

2. Rashard Lewis Washington $22,152,000 OMFG.

3. Tim Duncan San Antonio $21,300,000 Not worth it.

4. Kevin Garnett Boston $21,200,000 Not worth it.

5. Gilbert Arenas Orlando $19,269,308 Holy ****

6. Dirk Nowitzki Dallas $19,092,873 Great player.

7. Pau Gasol LA Lakers $18,714,150 Love this guy. Pay him.

8. Carmelo Anthony New York $18,520,000 Get real. No defense = no championship.

9. Amare Stoudemire New York $18,217,705 See above. Years of no defense. If only he would...

10. Joe Johnson Atlanta $18,038,573 GMAFB. JJ is a good player but he isn't MJ.

11. Dwight Howard Orlando $17,885,400 Pay the man.

12. Elton Brand Philadelphia $17,059,726 Absolutely overpaid.

13. Deron Williams New Jersey $16,359,805 Franchise player.

14. Chris Paul New Orleans $16,359,805 Franchise player.

15. LeBron James Miami $16,022,500 Biggest bust in NBA history. F'n loser.

16. Chris Bosh Miami $16,022,500 Even worse than LBJ. (yes I know that is a contradiction.)

17. Dwyane Wade Miami $15,512,000 Love him.

18. Paul Pierce Boston $15,333,334 Knows he will not win again. Way overpaid.

19. Andrew Bynum LA Lakers $15,157,667 Is good, but what about his knees?

20. Antawn Jamison Cleveland $15,076,715 Insanely overpaid.

21.Rudy Gay Memphis $15,032,144 Has yet to show it.

22.Brandon Roy Portland $14,940,153 Done.

23. Chauncey Billups New York $14,200,000 Career over.

24. Al Jefferson Utah $14,000,000 Show me.

25. Baron Davis Cleveland $13,950,000 Pay me and maybe I'll play

26. Kevin Durant Oklahoma City $13,604,000 Great player.


Read more: https://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm#ixzz1dCRWpPbS

Pretty please, Sep. do this list over again so I can see who you like.

Edit: or anyone else. thanks!
 
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sepanol said:
Lifetime awards or not, i don't care, here i give you the ones i could remember quickly, not even counting how many are them.

Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, Griffin, Howard, B.Lopez, Lamarcus, Randolph, Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Bynum, Bosh, Brand, Al Horford, Bogut, Amare, Kevin Love

These are the once whom i think are better than Big Al for sure. Well if you wanna let go Duncan, it is ok, since he is too old, but the other ones are better imo.

Also you can argue who is better, with these guys, Bargnani, Nene, Noah,maybe a couple more that i don't remember or Monroe, Cousins(as potential)

So the truth is, Big Al is a good big man, but not among the elite class of players in this league. That's what i argue, i don't say he is bad, i just say he is not as good as people exaggarate here, if he wasn't under Jazz uniform, i wonder if anyone would classify him as a top 15 big man in the league

P.S. Yes Boozer sucks, so i didn't even mention his name, but he is getting paid a lot, so i guess Big Al isn't the only player who gets paid more than he deserves, i guess in the league, if you are a big man, and ure 20 10 guy, you get paid a lot even if you have many flaws in the game
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LOL. Out of that list I would MAYBE take Pau Gasol, Nowitzki, Amare, Howard, Randolph, Aldridge, Horford, Love and maybe Griffin. The rest of the players you named are absolutely embarrassing. Im pretty sure Brand hasn't scored over 20 PPG since 2007, and hasn't go ten more than 10 boards per game since 2006. Al Jefferson has eclipsed both of these marks in his first 6 years in the league. Lopez is ****, Garnett is WAY to old, so is Duncan. We are talking RIGHT here, right now Sepanol. Who would you rather have on our team? I know if the jazz swapped jefferson for brand, lopez, garnett or Duncan, id ****ing trip. Marc Gasol is disgustingly overrated. Tell me when he can average anything close to 20/10. So as we see, in terms of league-wide bigmen, Al Jefferson is fringe top-ten, aka what I have said on this forum time after time. He has yet to crack the top ten, but he easily has the tools and motivation to do it next season. He's definitely top 15 though.
 
Thanks brown notes that list proves my argument, that Al Jefferson is being payed the going rate for a big man of his caliber. Sepanol if your argument is that Jefferson is overpaid then you have to look at BN's list and realize those players are badly over paid.
 
Jefferson's contract isn't getting in the way of anything in the first place. It expires before the team needs to re-sign Hayward, Favors, etc.

That being said I was drunk as hell when I posted that list. Not everything in there is necessarily my rational opinion.
 
Brown Notes said:
Sepanol is such a funny guy.

Let's break down how much players cost and what they really mean to their team. ...

1. Kobe Bryant LA Lakers $25,244,000 Great player but not worth it.

2. Rashard Lewis Washington $22,152,000 OMFG.

3. Tim Duncan San Antonio $21,300,000 Not worth it.

4. Kevin Garnett Boston $21,200,000 Not worth it.

5. Gilbert Arenas Orlando $19,269,308 Holy ****

6. Dirk Nowitzki Dallas $19,092,873 Great player.

7. Pau Gasol LA Lakers $18,714,150 Love this guy. Pay him.

8. Carmelo Anthony New York $18,520,000 Get real. No defense = no championship.

9. Amare Stoudemire New York $18,217,705 See above. Years of no defense. If only he would...

10. Joe Johnson Atlanta $18,038,573 GMAFB. JJ is a good player but he isn't MJ.

11. Dwight Howard Orlando $17,885,400 Pay the man.

12. Elton Brand Philadelphia $17,059,726 Absolutely overpaid.

13. Deron Williams New Jersey $16,359,805 Franchise player.

14. Chris Paul New Orleans $16,359,805 Franchise player.

15. LeBron James Miami $16,022,500 Biggest bust in NBA history. F'n loser.

16. Chris Bosh Miami $16,022,500 Even worse than LBJ. (yes I know that is a contradiction.)

17. Dwyane Wade Miami $15,512,000 Love him.

18. Paul Pierce Boston $15,333,334 Knows he will not win again. Way overpaid.

19. Andrew Bynum LA Lakers $15,157,667 Is good, but what about his knees?

20. Antawn Jamison Cleveland $15,076,715 Insanely overpaid.

21.Rudy Gay Memphis $15,032,144 Has yet to show it.

22.Brandon Roy Portland $14,940,153 Done.

23. Chauncey Billups New York $14,200,000 Career over.

24. Al Jefferson Utah $14,000,000 Show me.

25. Baron Davis Cleveland $13,950,000 Pay me and maybe I'll play

26. Kevin Durant Oklahoma City $13,604,000 Great player.


Read more: https://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm#ixzz1dCRWpPbS

Pretty please, Sep. do this list over again so I can see who you like.

Edit: or anyone else. thanks!
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How is Kobe not worth it? He is the most popular player and probably single handedly sells tickets and merchandise. The amount of revenue he generates for the team offsets the cost.

I can't tell if this post is serious though with comments like "Biggest bust in NBA history, f'n loser".
 
I hate LeBron.

But Bosh is the problem down there. If they had Jefferson instead there is a really good chance they all have rings.
 
Brown Notes said:
I hate LeBron.

But Bosh is the problem down there. If they had Jefferson instead there is a really good chance they all have rings.
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IDK about that. They need a big man who can spread the floor with a midrange game, which Bosh is great at. Bosh is a pretty good fit if they can get a better defensive big down low.
 
Guess we just don't agree. They already have 2 all-world perimeter players. Right now Wade is their best post player, which is why they can't win. When the game gets ugly you gotta have somebody who produces in the paint.
 
Brown Notes said:
I hate LeBron.

But Bosh is the problem down there. If they had Jefferson instead there is a really good chance they all have rings.
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Yeah yeah yeah, if they had Jefferson, they wouldn't even need Lebron, they would make a dynasty, but since we have lots of worthless players around Jefferson, we can't win a championship damn.

Jefferson is better than Bosh ? You are pretty ridiculous, he at least made his team make playoffs when he was franchise player in Toronto, but what the hell Big Al did in minnesota other than improving his own numbers?
What can i discuss with a person who calls Lebron a bust in basketball?

You first should learn how to evaluate players objectively, not praising the ones you love and depreciating you hate. I hate Lebron too, but it doesn't change the truth that he is the best player in the world right now.
And i don't hate Big Al, but when you make him sound like he is the king of the hill, that is really ridiculous, more than how i praise Kanter, at least i do it in a logical way and not make funny comments like, if there was Kanter instead of Gasol this year Kobe would get the 6th ring
 
northeast said:
sepanol, Lebron is not as good as you think he is.
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I think he is, even though he has such a big ego and else, he is the best player right now. Tell me, could Kobe get a ring without Shaq or Gasol? He couldn't. So Lebron couldn't as well, but in Cavs he made that team one of the best in the league with piece of garbage around him. With anyone else instead of Lebron in that team, they would hardly make playoffs.

Right now, they are the most favorite team for the ring, even though many things didn't go well last year and they were criticized so badly after a few losses in the late season, they still destroyed all the teams in the east. Dallas just shocked everyone, but i think Miami is the best team right now, they are too much criticized by people because no one likes Lebron except Miami fans. But he is the best player right now.
 
LeBron is the most talented quitter ever. He also is soft as hell. The next time I see him take a hard charge or post up an equal sized guy it will be the first. He also is the de facto coach on every team he's on which severely limits things. James has never played within an offensive system and doesn't know how. It's just elite level playground ball with him.

LBJ is the most talented player in the league but is not the best. The best of anything never quits when the chips are down. Your boy LeBron is a multiple offender now with that. Everybody hates Kobe but there is no way you could ever say that about him.

It wouldn't have to be Jefferson to save the day either. That team is just too perimeter oriented. If they traded LBJ straight up for Howard the Heat would be hands down the easy favorite.

Dallas didn't shock everyone. They were the better team, particularly around the rim. Dallas' coaching was also at a level several magnitudes above what LeBron/Spoelstra was capable of.

It'd be nice to read something of yours that was right for a change. It's funny yet sad. You don't hate Al. LOL!
 
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sepanol said:
I think he is, even though he has such a big ego and else, he is the best player right now.
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Yeah, so except for fundamental character flaws that have significantly affected him in his performance in two championship series (and arguably in his off-court decisions also), he's number one /sarcasm.

sepanol said:
Tell me, could Kobe get a ring without Shaq or Gasol? He couldn't. So Lebron couldn't as well, but in Cavs he made that team one of the best in the league with piece of garbage around him. With anyone else instead of Lebron in that team, they would hardly make playoffs.
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No, Kobe couldn't get a ring without other elite players. But Lebron had other elite players on his team, but his laziness on D and overall self-absorption prevented him from maximizing the success of himself and his team.

Sounds familiar. #CarlosBoozer

Right now, they are the most favorite team for the ring, even though many things didn't go well last year and they were criticized so badly after a few losses in the late season, they still destroyed all the teams in the east. Dallas just shocked everyone, but i think Miami is the best team right now, they are too much criticized by people because no one likes Lebron except Miami fans. But he is the best player right now.
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I think that the extended off-season puts the standing of teams in flux. Depends heavily on what individual players have done in the meantime. For example, it appears that Utah--probably not a contender, but a relatively young team--might have been a beneficiary of the extra time and will likely perform better than they would have if the season already started.
 
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