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Diamond in the Rough: 2014 Draft

Alright guys this has been a good discussion, props all round..


Seems like there are 2 camps ATM:


Camp 1: Prefers the safe option and going with Vonleh.


Camp 2: Prefers to swing for the fences and get either Kyle Anderson, Nikkk Stauskus or McDermott.



problem with picking vonleh - why? we have favors and kanter. if we are picking vonleh, then it means we are giving up on kanter. i don't wanna give up on kanter just yet. and that's why i don't like picking randle. we gotta draft shooters and upgrade our 2 & 3.


put it this way. if favors or kanter came out. both of them would've been graded same or higher than vonleh.
 
problem with picking vonleh - why? we have favors and kanter. if we are picking vonleh, then it means we are giving up on kanter. i don't wanna give up on kanter just yet. and that's why i don't like picking randle. we gotta draft shooters and upgrade our 2 & 3.


put it this way. if favors or kanter came out. both of them would've been graded same or higher than vonleh.

Have to remember Vonleh is 18 though. Won't be ready for heavy minutes for at least 2 years. By then we'll know alot more about Kanter, and if he will ever be able to coexist with Favors or not. If not, you get what you can for him and plug a natural PF, Vonleh, into the position.
 
Umm, if that's the scenario we are faced with, I pray some dip-**** GM offers us a decent package and move down.

Moot point though as we will be picking 3rd.
 
My biggest problem with Vonleh isn't his lack of offensive polish, or size, .. it's more to do with his explosiveness. His size isn't bad, but it's not elite, and he doesn't seem to be able to get a lot of lift. I'm worried he'll be just "average" vs other NBA bigs.
 
Have to remember Vonleh is 18 though. Won't be ready for heavy minutes for at least 2 years. By then we'll know alot more about Kanter, and if he will ever be able to coexist with Favors or not. If not, you get what you can for him and plug a natural PF, Vonleh, into the position.

i just hate the idea of developing somebody for 2-3 years. i need an immediate contribution!

jabari parker really is the perfect match. sigh
 
I think we should pick the best player available.
 
I take James Young. He has the most offensive upside of all the remaining players. Second if we want to go safe I go with Dough McDermott.
 
I think it's way too early to project a potential dark horse since we haven't had a chance to see how these kids measure out or test.

As it stands today, McDaniels is about the only kid I'd guess at because of his athleticism.
 
I take James Young. He has the most offensive upside of all the remaining players. Second if we want to go safe I go with Dough McDermott.

Whoah.. that's not safe bro. To me that's one of the most dangerous trap in this draft with respect to how his lack of athleticism will translate in the NBA.
 
let's just trade burke for stauskas or a pick to get him
I would crap my pants if that happened, and it would come out smelling like potpourri. I thought he was a mistake to begin with. Looking back, I wish we'd have gone with the Greek Freak.
Burke put up 24 pts and 15 assists last night. We haven't had a point guard who can do that since DWill left. Not sure if DWill ever did that as a rookie.
lets not forget we killed Al for the amount of shots he took to get his points. Burke took 20-22 shots for those 24 points. He's short of a great athlete and struggles to get to the rim and finish. Yes. The assists were nice, but it's not his makeup he's a shoot first pg with none of the physical makeup that Deron has. He will put up good numbers from time to time, but he will put up a lot of duds and poor shooting performances.

Both had terrible tournaments, so they will drop!
Don't forget Embiid in the second round. Injury concerns. Lol.
 
I would crap my pants if that happened, and it would come out smelling like potpourri. I thought he was a mistake to begin with. Looking back, I wish we'd have gone with the Greek Freak.
lets not forget we killed Al for the amount of shots he took to get his points. Burke took 20-22 shots for those 24 points. He's short of a great athlete and struggles to get to the rim and finish. Yes. The assists were nice, but it's not his makeup he's a shoot first pg with none of the physical makeup that Deron has. He will put up good numbers from time to time, but he will put up a lot of duds and poor shooting performances.

LOL.. butt-hurt much bro??? Burke is a keeper, deal with it. Deron wished he has the same rookie season as Burke. He chucks and you blame him for not looking the pass. The guy is trying hard, has 15 assists and now you're saying it's not in his "makeup" and what you think he'll never be able to pass??? What a crock of ****!!! He's trying hard to play the kind of winning basketball this team needs him to - distribute the ball, but also score when he's called upon.
 
I'm not sure Saric will declare for the draft....I just read an article that his father says his son is not ready for the Nba yet and he won't allow him to carry around NBA team suitcases and be responsible for donuts.

Ante Tomic part two?

These Croatian players do not seem so enthusiastic to play in Nba. Currently there are no Croatian playing in Nba...it should be a big motivation for them to reach the Nba!

bringing democracy to ex-yugoslavia has its consequences
 
Noah Vonleh is gonna jump 35", just like Blake Griffin..

the fact of the matter is once you hit the 240lb mark theres basically a 36" cap on all the verticals registered with very few exceptions, check any year. heres some similar sized players recently drafted(height w/shoes, weight, max vert)

Blake Griffin 6'10", 248lbs, 35½"
Tyler Hansbrough 6'9½", 234 lbs, 34"
Derrick Favors 6'10¼", 246lbs, 35½"
Ekpe Udoh 6'9¾", 237lbs, 35½"
Greg Monroe 6'11", 247lbs, 29"
Derrick Williams 6'8¾", 250lbs, 34½"
Markeiff Morris 6'9¼", 241lbs, 31½"
Thomas Robinson 6'8¾", 244lbs, 35½"
Terrence Jones 6'9½", 252lbs, 34½"
Jared Sullinger 6'9", 268lbs, 31"

now how does that compare to Noah...

well theres no concrete numbers, yet, but im sure IU's strength and conditioning coach isn't telling ducktales... Je’Ney Jackson said this summer, Vonleh touched 12' during testing a feat Cody Zeller could not accomplish (Zeller is 7', has the same standing reach and a 37½" vertical), according to Jackson only 1 player at last years combine could touch 12'

Jackson also has said he believes Noah has the potential to become an Elite Athlete “It’s ridiculous. It’s stupid,” he said, when asked how unusual the freshman forward’s blend of skill, strength and athleticism might be. “241 pounds and to be as big and athletic and agile as he is … He’s different.”

Noah could end up being a 20/10 guy with 3point range. whos to say he needs some huge adjustment period also, he adjusted to college way faster than anyone expected and Rebounding is the most translatable skill to the league right?

some use qualified statements to dismiss some of these prospects, like its a game of guess who... "is he a star?" whos to say or predict that. check out Jermaine O'Neal #17 in the 96' draft

10.2 mpg, 4.1ppg, 2.8rpg, .6blks .2asts -- 18 y/o rook #'s
13.5 mpg, 4.5ppg, 3.4rpg, 1.0blks, .3asts
8.6 mpg, 2.5ppg, 2.7rpg, .4blks, .4asts
12.3 mpg, 3.9ppg, 3.3rpg, .8blks, .3asts
32.6 mpg 12.9ppg, 9.8rpg, 2.8blks, 1.2asts
37.6 mpg 19.0ppg, 10.5rpg, 2.3blks, 1.6asts
37.2 mpg 20.8ppg, 10.3rpg, 2.3blks, 2.0asts
35.7 mpg 20.1ppg, 10.0rpg, 2.6blks, 2.1asts
34.8 mpg 24.3ppg, 8.8rpg, 2.0blks, 1.6asts

now take a look at 18 year old Jermaine...

O'Neal_52491018_10.jpg


... compared to a 18 y/o Noah, Jermaine looks considerably less developed. I think you can argue Vonleh is already bigger than Ian Mahinmi when he entered the league at 21, so i think he ends up about this size, if not bigger

Ian-Mahinmi-Indiana-Pacers.jpg


inside out threats who also play D and rebound at 6'10 245lbs and 18years old do not come around every draft
 
I would crap my pants if that happened, and it would come out smelling like potpourri. I thought he was a mistake to begin with. Looking back, I wish we'd have gone with the Greek Freak.
lets not forget we killed Al for the amount of shots he took to get his points. Burke took 20-22 shots for those 24 points. He's short of a great athlete and struggles to get to the rim and finish. Yes. The assists were nice, but it's not his makeup he's a shoot first pg with none of the physical makeup that Deron has. He will put up good numbers from time to time, but he will put up a lot of duds and poor shooting performances.


Don't forget Embiid in the second round. Injury concerns. Lol.

You are awesome. That is all.

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LOL.. butt-hurt much bro??? Burke is a keeper, deal with it. Deron wished he has the same rookie season as Burke. He chucks and you blame him for not looking the pass. The guy is trying hard, has 15 assists and now you're saying it's not in his "makeup" and what you think he'll never be able to pass??? What a crock of ****!!! He's trying hard to play the kind of winning basketball this team needs him to - distribute the ball, but also score when he's called upon.

Um, no. That is all.

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You guys are crazy (no offense). If you wanna talk 'diamond in the rough' it's clearly Cleanthony Early from Wichita St. Dude can straight out play. If the Jazz are unable to get Wiggins, Parker (if he declares) or Gordon, I think he should be the one the Jazz should target at 23rd/24th pick. He has been in school for 4 years/matured and is already ready to step in to help the team immediately.

Btw I'm new here and nice to meet you all.

Nice to meet you,too, Storm. I'm a prof at Wichita State and have seen Cleanthony for the last two years (he was the CC player of the year before coming to WSU). Dude plays big in big games. He can defend, but doesn't always like to. And he can score inside and out. Marshall really got him to play team ball, so he's not the chucker he could've easily been. So, I know I'm a homer, but I really do think Cleanthony will be a great lower 1st round pick for us or somebody. I actually think he'd be a nice compliment off the bench. Get a real back up point, continue to have Burks off the bench with Cle and you've got a serious scoring punch in the second unit.
 
You guys are crazy (no offense). If you wanna talk 'diamond in the rough' it's clearly Cleanthony Early from Wichita St. Dude can straight out play. If the Jazz are unable to get Wiggins, Parker (if he declares) or Gordon, I think he should be the one the Jazz should target at 23rd/24th pick. He has been in school for 4 years/matured and is already ready to step in to help the team immediately.

Btw I'm new here and nice to meet you all.

Sup' storm! Welcome bro! We're like a family here so if you ever need anything give us a yell bro!!!
 
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