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Did Melanie Trump copy Michelle Obama's speech?

JazzGal said:
That was annoying how NBC cut out like that. Actually had to switch to Fox News to avoid it.
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I just watched the rest of the speech online. I thought it was excellent. NBC's bias is obvious. Many of those who agree with their position deny that such a bias exists. Rep to you for being an exception, and for having the guts to admit that your TV can be tuned to Fox without melting into a disgusting pile of goo.
 
franklin said:
It's Impossible that a poster of your caliber (I know who your main is) does not realize Trump did this on purpose.
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[MENTION=578]franklin[/MENTION], Lol, just catching on, my first reaction having been "what caliber?" I'm not an alt, assuming that's what you mean. In fact, I never heard of the concept before signing on this forum. I frequent a lot of various forums, and never ran into the concept or usage of same before. I can see where it might be fun, for all involved. And I'm sure I've let it go over my head when replying at times. I've just never personally tried it.

I noted with interest that Cruz said he told Trump 3 days ago that he was not going to endorse him. So it can be said Trump did let Cruz have that moment. On purpose. And then put the spotlight on himself entering the arena. Another attention fix and good TV.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Really? Maybe it was a brilliant move on Trump's part. I watched the convention at my dad's house on NBC. It was amazing how manipulative the network was of the message the campaign was trying to convey. For example, they cut out of Gingrich's speech in the middle and went into a diatribe on how negative he was. It seems to me like they should have allowed him to communicate his own message to America rather than censoring him and replacing it with what they thought of his message.

After Pence's speech the commentator said something like, "Well, that was sure a disapointment. This convention is a complete mess. Trump and Pence didn't even hold hands and raise them above their heads and walk back and forth on the stage like you're supposed to do at a convention." Seriously? It will be interesting to see whether they cut off any of the keynote speeches at the DNC. I'm sure they will be thrilled when the candidates hold hands and walk back and forth after the VP speech because it's hard to imagine anyone could successfully lead the country if they don't do that.

So why was the Cruz moment a brilliant move on Trump's part? Because it's going to amp up the ratings for Trump's speech tonight to huge numbers, and there's no way NBC (or any media) will be able to cut away in the middle. I'll bet 100% of Ivanka's speech and Donald's speech are broadcast with almost no opportunity for the talking heads to attempt to diminish their message midstream. This was already going to be his biggest moment, by far, and the events that have led up to it are going to make it even bigger. It's going to be fascinating to see what happens tonight.
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Yes, I'm just realizing this. Having, among other clues, seen Cruz cited as having said he told Trump 3 days ago that he would not be endorsing him. As well, for me, this fits the narrative provided by the ghostwriter of "The Art of the Deal", in an article posted by str8line in the "who do you call for President?" thread, in which he noted the basic need of Trump to have a lot of attention focused on him. Making his entry as Cruz was ending very theatric/dramatic. So yeah, I guess I still need to learn not to put anything past his ability to master the media. That is what he has done from the day he first descended that escalator in Trump Tower and made the whole show about him. And the media has been very complicit. Having for the most part devoured the offer he deliberately presented of entertainment for the masses and blessed ratings. With a few acting like the watchdog for the electorate that some believe is the actual function of the press.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
So why was the Cruz moment a brilliant move on Trump's part? Because it's going to amp up the ratings for Trump's speech tonight to huge numbers, and there's no way NBC (or any media) will be able to cut away in the middle. I'll bet 100% of Ivanka's speech and Donald's speech are broadcast with almost no opportunity for the talking heads to attempt to diminish their message midstream. This was already going to be his biggest moment, by far, and the events that have led up to it are going to make it even bigger. It's going to be fascinating to see what happens tonight.
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I guess we do differ here somewhat. I think his speech tonight was never going to be interrupted, by the networks or cable at least. Even a liberal bias isn't going there. I can't imagine it.

I did come to see last night's events as known to Trump in advance, at least as concerns what Cruz would not do, and making for great drama. If one says, yes, but why let Cruz do that to him, the answer is attention at the moment and TV ratings trump all. Any press is good press, and this is reality TV.

Trump married the reality TV model to our political nomination process. It's been a circus, and has been for a long time anyway. Trump simply brought it all to it's apex. The marriage of TV, in its "reality TV" model, to Presidential politics. We've been heading for this for awhile I believe. Now we may have to figure out how to not let it ever happen again.
 
Red said:
I guess we do differ here somewhat. I think his speech tonight was never going to be interrupted, by the networks or cable at least. Even a liberal bias isn't going there. I can't imagine it.

I did come to see last night's events as known to Trump in advance, at least as concerns what Cruz would not do, and making for great drama. If one says, yes, but why let Cruz do that to him, the answer is attention at the moment and TV ratings trump all. Any press is good press, and this is reality TV.

Trump married the reality TV model to our political nomination process. It's been a circus, and has been for a long time anyway. Trump simply brought it all to it's apex. The marriage of TV, in its "reality TV" model, to Presidential politics. We've been heading for this for awhile I believe. Now we may have to figure out how to not let it ever happen again.
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You misunderstood me. I never thought there was even a slight chance that the networks would cut away in the middle of Trump's speech. What I'm saying is that this speech is a tremendous opportunity to lay out his case for the presidency. He wants as many people tuned into it as possible. He can't do anything about what the talking heads say about his speech after it ends, but he can do everything about controlling the message that he's sending out during that speech. This is his biggest moment so far, by far.
 
The real scandal is not the plagiarism, but the denial of it for over a day afterwards. Anyone who has been criticizing Clinton over giving different reasons for having a private email server should feel the same way about Trump.
 
One Brow said:
The real scandal is not the plagiarism, but the denial of it for over a day afterwards. Anyone who has been criticizing Clinton over giving different reasons for having a private email server should feel the same way about Trump.
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Did either Donald or Melanie personally denied it?
 
moevillini said:
And didn't Donald insist Melania wrote the speech herself? Yet it seems pretty clear that she had little input into its content.
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Actually, one of Trump speechwriters describes Melania as having a lot of input. She (the speechwriter) gave Melania ideas and examples, but Melania assembled them herself.
 
One Brow said:
The real scandal is not the plagiarism, but the denial of it for over a day afterwards. Anyone who has been criticizing Clinton over giving different reasons for having a private email server should feel the same way about Trump.
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I honestly disagree. It is not a scandal in any shape or form. It is one of the worst attack lines there are. Donald controlling the narrative once again. Here everyone (society in general) is arguing one way or the other over 20 some odd words that someone said before. What a pointless and worthless debate.

Let's go after him on his attacks on women, the disabled, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, pressure him on a plan to deport all the illegals like he wants that won't violate search and seizure laws of citizens and residents, how will he fix our trade deals...

So many worthy attack lines but he has arguing over a few irrelevant lines of an irrelevant speech.

Edit: I will say that he is a genius, damn near savant level, at manipulating people and the media. Truly impressive how naturally he does it.
 
Stoked said:
I honestly disagree. It is not a scandal in any shape or form. It is one of the worst attack lines there are. Donald controlling the narrative once again. Here everyone (society in general) is arguing one way or the other over 20 some odd words that someone said before. What a pointless and worthless debate.

Let's go after him on his attacks on women, the disabled, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, pressure him on a plan to deport all the illegals like he wants that won't violate search and seizure laws of citizens and residents, how will he fix our trade deals...

So many worthy attack lines but he has arguing over a few irrelevant lines of an irrelevant speech.

Edit: I will say that he is a genius, damn near savant level, at manipulating people and the media. Truly impressive how naturally he does it.
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Yeah, comparing the Melania speech to the email scandal is so bizarre. Even Hillary's most ardent supporters must know that argument does not make a bit of sense. It only highlights how trivial one is compared to the other.

Re: your edit, I read somewhere that Trump wants the media to criticize him because it's like throwing gasoline on an inferno. Pretty tough to deny that's what's happening. In the past when someone has offended the media they've gone into damage control. Trump confounds everyone by going on the attack instead. He's said dozens of things that would have ended every previous politician's career, yet the uproar always makes him stronger. The world of politics has been turned on its head.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
He's said dozens of things that would have ended every previous politician's career, yet the uproar always makes him stronger.
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Why? How come people like someone who says horrible things, gets called out for saying them, and then goes on the attack and says more horrible things?
What is the appeal there?
 
fishonjazz said:
Why? How come people like someone who says horrible things, gets called out for saying them, and then goes on the attack and says more horrible things?
What is the appeal there?
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This is what I do not understand. Republicans for some reason suddenly do not care about whether their candidate is religious, faithful to his wife, honest, kind, "Presidential," etc. This has all changed in the past four years. I've asked my mother why this stuff suddenly doesn't matter, and she acted like she had no idea what I was talking about because of course it's not a big deal. This from a woman who has been hyper critical of Michelle Obama's sleeveless attire (the hussy) who now suddenly doesn't care that the potential First Lady has nude photos on the internet. While I don't mind that she is expanding her horizons a bit, I cannot figure out how it has happened. She hasn't been caught up in social media and reality TV and all the other things that I think have changed society for good and evil. It's weird.
 
JazzGal said:
This is what I do not understand. Republicans for some reason suddenly do not care about whether their candidate is religious, faithful to his wife, honest, kind, "Presidential," etc. This has all changed in the past four years. I've asked my mother why this stuff suddenly doesn't matter, and she acted like she had no idea what I was talking about because of course it's not a big deal. This from a woman who has been hyper critical of Michelle Obama's sleeveless attire (the hussy) who now suddenly doesn't care that the potential First Lady has nude photos on the internet. While I don't mind that she is expanding her horizons a bit, I cannot figure out how it has happened. She hasn't been caught up in social media and reality TV and all the other things that I think have changed society for good and evil. It's weird.
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a very good friend of mine (and her husband) are both Republicans (we're live in a very Democratic community so they joke they're 2 of the 4 Repubs in town) - they were for Rubio (she was a "never Trump"-er until he became the nominee)- but now they've bought into his message hook, line and sinker. (that's for you, Trout)

They're very anti-everything they consider "liberal" and feel society has coddled the needy to have no incentive to work; and they support policies that are almost archaic in their treatment of women. What's especially ironic to me is that she had been married before (ended in divorce) - had an abortion - and lived on welfare herself for a brief time in the late 70's. Though often the worst are the folks with a "hey if I pulled myself up, so can anybody" without acknowledging the societal supports that helped them through. This family seriously looked at moving to SLC about 6 years ago because of it's values (they're not Mormon) but the job her husband wanted (a transfer within his company, Goldman Sachs) wasn't available in their SLC office.

At any rate, she blames "government" for all of our problems, without any acknowledgment that government provides lots of vital services: ambulance, fire, police, parks, library, schools etc. Doesn't matter, government is BAD and all the bad things that happen are due to government policies. It's like they're a mix of the most extreme Tea Party anti-government attitudes with the worst of the evangelical Christian social attitudes. She wanted to skip her nieces wedding because it wasn't "legal" since it wasn't taking place in a church, but she felt her sister would never forgive her if she didn't attend. So she went, and all we heard afterwards was how terrible it was that there wasn't a single mention of "God" during the entire service.

I guess the only policy where they would deviate from the party line are related to gun issues.

At any rate, I have no answers either.
 
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