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DL 'starting' to look like a genius ....

I like Quin as an X's and O's guy. Kinda wonder how he is at developing relationships. Seems like an all business guy, seems like he'd be a cold personality.
 
green said:
Bad things:
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Teague also left the team that traded for him and signed somewhere else. Hill was a better fit and things didnt work out trading for Teague could have and likely would have resulted in him signing else where as well. We where waiting on Hayward and would not have signed Teague until after that fiasco and Teague would have signed with Minny still. Its not like we could not have tried to sign Teague this last off season.

DL very much knew the cap was going up. No other team seemed as aware of the cap situation as Jazz. They were very well prepared for all of the changes and made our roster flexible and still keep it flexible in case there is a chance to make a deal. That is why they matched the Hayward contract. They offered Hayward a fair contract. Hayward bet on himself and found a max deal. It happens all the time. Frankly I am glad we dont have Hayward this year because we might not have aggressively moved up to get Mitchell if we had Hayward still. He still would have lied to the Jazz over and over again and still would leave after this season.

The problem with your lineup is that we would still need a stretch 4 since Millsap does not fill that role, nor does he fit in with the timeline at all of Mitchell and Gobert.

Frankly no team has dealt with the kind of injuries Jazz have, its lucky we had success at all last year with injuries all year and losing Gobert in the playoffs. There is no way to predict those injuries and prepare for that. Jazz should have made the playoffs for multiple years with Hayward but injuries held us way back. We should have been a 60 win team last year and that would have gone a long way in going further in the playoffs. We also might have pushed GS a little harder if we had a healthy Favors, Gobert and Hood but we didnt. I dont know what Hayward would have done but he might have stayed had we had a lot more success.

But life goes on we have one of the best young players in the NBA that we can build around. Mitchell is a bigger star than anyone the Jazz have had since S&M. Our future is bright with that kind of player.
 
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Drafting Mitchell is a hall of fame move

I'd loved to have been there, been so nervous. Having the nerve to wait it out until the 13th pick, what if he went 10th or 11th? Must have been ecstasy when he pulled it off. :D
 
green said:
Borderline inexcusable/maybe should have been fired for:
Knowing the salary cap was about to jump, knowing that a max deal would become equivalent to a mid level player deal and then not signing Hayward to a max deal.
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Will you offer the max to someone who shot .413 from the field and .304 from 3? Easy to forget that Haywood was coming from a bad year and wasn't really close to a be "sure thing". Like the saying goes, hindsight is 20/20.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
They tried to extend Hayward. He refused an extension. Hayward wanted to see what he'd get in free agency, thinking he'd get more. So not DL's fault


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Bull ****. Keep that cougarboard rewriting history with bull **** off here.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...harlotte-hornets-agree-63-million-offer-sheet
Thee jazz fan said:
Do u believe everything you read on espn, oh and I didn't click on your link.


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Ha ha. Like I said, keep that bull **** of here. You don’t even know what ESPN said, yet you claim it’s wrong.

You embody all that is wrong and unintelligent in this country. Just a bunch of ignorant fools.

So, Mr. truth seeker, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Show me where the Jazz offered Hayward a max deal and he turned them down.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Teague also left the team that traded for him and signed somewhere else. Hill was a better fit and things didnt work out trading for Teague could have and likely would have resulted in him signing else where as well. We where waiting on Hayward and would not have signed Teague until after that fiasco and Teague would have signed with Minny still. Its not like we could not have tried to sign Teague this last off season.

DL very much knew the cap was going up. No other team seemed as aware of the cap situation as Jazz. They were very well prepared for all of the changes and made our roster flexible and still keep it flexible in case there is a chance to make a deal. That is why they matched the Hayward contract. They offered Hayward a fair contract. Hayward bet on himself and found a max deal. It happens all the time. Frankly I am glad we dont have Hayward this year because we might not have aggressively moved up to get Mitchell if we had Hayward still. He still would have lied to the Jazz over and over again and still would leave after this season.

The problem with your lineup is that we would still need a stretch 4 since Millsap does not fill that role, nor does he fit in with the timeline at all of Mitchell and Gobert.

Frankly no team has dealt with the kind of injuries Jazz have, its lucky we had success at all last year with injuries all year and losing Gobert in the playoffs. There is no way to predict those injuries and prepare for that. Jazz should have made the playoffs for multiple years with Hayward but injuries held us way back. We should have been a 60 win team last year and that would have gone a long way in going further in the playoffs. We also might have pushed GS a little harder if we had a healthy Favors, Gobert and Hood but we didnt. I dont know what Hayward would have done but he might have stayed had we had a lot more success.

But life goes on we have one of the best young players in the NBA that we can build around. Mitchell is a bigger star than anyone the Jazz have had since S&M. Our future is bright with that kind of player.
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Ha ha. Another cougarboarder. Here. Smh.
 
green said:
Bull ****. Keep that cougarboard rewriting history with bull **** off here.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...harlotte-hornets-agree-63-million-offer-sheet
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...harlotte-hornets-agree-63-million-offer-sheet

Ha ha. Like I said, keep that bull **** of here. You don’t even know what ESPN said, yet you claim it’s wrong.

You embody all that is wrong and unintelligent in this country. Just a bunch of ignorant fools.

So, Mr. truth seeker, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Show me where the Jazz offered Hayward a max deal and he turned them down.
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It's a waste of my time and brain cells to read espn crap, and answer the question!! Did the jazz not try to extend him during his first contract year? Yes or no?


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Tak said:
Will you offer the max to someone who shot .413 from the field and .304 from 3? Easy to forget that Haywood was coming from a bad year and wasn't really close to a be "sure thing". Like the saying goes, hindsight is 20/20.
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Absolutely. If I knew that a maxed out Hayward would be making less than a Rubio type player at the end of his deal.

No brainer. I said so myself on this website. I said I didn’t want to max out Hayward and that he wasn’t worth it BUT knowing the cap was going up and knowing what that would do to middle of the road player’s salaries, I said it was a no brainer.
 
Tak said:
Will you offer the max to someone who shot .413 from the field and .304 from 3? Easy to forget that Haywood was coming from a bad year and wasn't really close to a be "sure thing". Like the saying goes, hindsight is 20/20.
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Plus he still would have just left whenever his contract ended anyway.
His love for brad is too strong
 
green said:
So, Mr. truth seeker, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Show me where the Jazz offered Hayward a max deal and he turned them down.
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First off whether they offered a max or not, you didn't want him to get a max deal, so u have no room to be so critical of DL in the first place!!


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fishonjazz said:
Plus he still would have just left whenever his contract ended anyway.
His love for brad is too strong
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Yeah, this is the main problem with that whole argument. Who cares if we got him for one more year. It would have just slowed down our rebuild around Mitchell. Or worse we would not have traded for Mitchell, we would have drafted someone different or traded the pick for some player to help that team.
 
Not extending him over a one million per year difference when he was eligible is super dumb. If you like him at 12M then coming up to 13M shouldn’t be a big deal.

Anyone projecting the cap and the wing scarcity should have known he’d get the max. Even if he wasn’t a “max” player. It was a bad miss by the front office.
 
Tak said:
Will you offer the max to someone who shot .413 from the field and .304 from 3? Easy to forget that Haywood was coming from a bad year and wasn't really close to a be "sure thing". Like the saying goes, hindsight is 20/20.
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I think the context matters. If he is the player you are building around does it matter? They decided to make him the ”star”. Dennis should have extended him with the max in that scenario. Hayward would still be on the roster today, if Dennis wasn’t trying to be cheap
 
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Utesnjazz said:
I think the context matters. If he is the player you are building around does it matter? They decided to make him the ”star”. Dennis should have extended him with the max in that scenario. Hayward would still be on the roster today, if Dennis wasn’t trying to be cheap
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Haywood was gone the minute Brad Stevens got a coaching gig in the NBA on a team not named Jazz.
 
Hayward was nowhere near a max player the first time around during contract time. What is with this revisionist history? Also, it was totally KOC's call to tell him to go get a contract and let the chips fall where they may to match it. It took Hayward nearly half if not 2/3rds of his career to be capable on the same level that our current rookie is playing at. Think about that for a moment.
 
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