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do NOT bring back George Hill

Whatever the jazz offered, up it a little bit to make him feel like holding out was worth it, but really having gobert on our roster is such a huge asset players should be begging to play with us. Hill is a nice fit, maybe a little delicate but whose perfect
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I think we need to start at 4/80. The problem is another team, the Nets I've heard recently as one example, may offer him too much. I could see them offering 4 years, 110M and I don't think we should go that high.
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I would do 2/40 with maybe a Team Option for a third year. If we had a plan in place to move one or two other contracts to keep flexibility. No way I'm locking the team into 4 years. He'd be 35 and if injuries persist that contract would become a disaster. By the time we get out of it Hayward would be 31 and Gobert would be 28. We would have lost valuable time.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I think we need to start at 4/80. The problem is another team, the Nets I've heard recently as one example, may offer him too much. I could see them offering 4 years, 110M and I don't think we should go that high.
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Nets would have to be idiots to begin their rebuild by overpaying Hill. Did they not learn anything? If they are going to splurge, they will do it with young players. Max a few young guys that are RFA's on capped out teams. Fortunately, I think Hood has played his way out of that eventuality. I think our competition for Hill begins and ends with San Antonio, to be honest. . .
 
Hill will be back next year. Hide and watch.

Also, every franchise hits a point where it is worth it to overpay for somebody and/or gamble on a guy who will be overpaid by the end of his deal. Utah is at that point for sure. The thing a lot of people miss is that Utah can't just save that 80-100 million and spend it on someone else. They won't have room under the cap to sign somebody else's FA, where they have bird rights on Hill and can go over the cap to sign him.

I personally think he will get a 4 year deal around 80-90 million, and yes, Utah should give it to him. His being injured this year may very well end up a blessing, if we are able to retain him.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Hill will be back next year. Hide and watch.

Also, every franchise hits a point where it is worth it to overpay for somebody and/or gamble on a guy who will be overpaid by the end of his deal. Utah is at that point for sure. The thing a lot of people miss is that Utah can't just save that 80-100 million and spend it on someone else. They won't have room under the cap to sign somebody else's FA, where they have bird rights on Hill and can go over the cap to sign him.

I personally think he will get a 4 year deal around 80-90 million, and yes, Utah should give it to him. His being injured this year may very well end up a blessing, if we are able to retain him.
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I'm down with that deal.
Not down with 4 years 130 million though.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Hill will be back next year. Hide and watch.

Also, every franchise hits a point where it is worth it to overpay for somebody and/or gamble on a guy who will be overpaid by the end of his deal. Utah is at that point for sure. The thing a lot of people miss is that Utah can't just save that 80-100 million and spend it on someone else. They won't have room under the cap to sign somebody else's FA, where they have bird rights on Hill and can go over the cap to sign him.

I personally think he will get a 4 year deal around 80-90 million, and yes, Utah should give it to him. His being injured this year may very well end up a blessing, if we are able to retain him.
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That is where I am... I thought he might get a bigger offer but I'm kind of doubting it now... I think he got bad advice at the deadline. Should have re-signed then.
 
Are the Jazz purposefully not bringing back George Hill so they can afford raises to other players(Ingles man... Ingles) and bring back Deron Williams?

2 months ago at the trade deadline:
The Jazz were one, offering Williams a homecoming to the place he played his first five-and-a-half seasons. There was mild surprise on that front — Utah traded Williams in 2011 because of a poor attitude and the belief that he did not want to be in Utah long-term.
2 months ago – via Sporting News
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Though the split between the Jazz and Williams was sore and highly publicized, MacMahon said Williams still loves Utah, and would prefer to end his playing career in Salt Lake City as a member of the Jazz.
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Perhaps Deron Williams could be a decent summer fallback plan for the Jazz if things don’t work out with Hill. Williams is obviously no longer the star he was during his first stint with the Jazz, which certainly didn’t end well, but he won’t expect to be paid like one either. Sources told ESPN that Williams is definitely intrigued by the possibility of finishing his career in Utah, where he still maintains a home.
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It certainly feels like the Jazz are the "Call your bluff" team, forcing Camp Hill to find huge money elsewhere.
 
Harambe said:
Are the Jazz purposefully not bringing back George Hill so they can afford raises to other players(Ingles man... Ingles) and bring back Deron Williams?

2 months ago at the trade deadline:






It certainly feels like the Jazz are the "Call your bluff" team, forcing Camp Hill to find huge money elsewhere.
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Might not be the worst thing in the world but I would not hinge my success on Williams and his bum joints (all of them) and declining skill set. If he would come in to come off the bench and we can still sign a young up-and-coming PG to really run the show, with D Will and Hood off the bench that could really be something. We wouldn't lose much in the 2nd team and have a veteran presence to help run things in crunch time as needed.
 
Id be down for that 4 yrs 80 mill deal, hes damn fine player just wish he'd give a discount to play here. If I was a player id give a discount to play with rudy
 
rare144 said:
Id be down for that 4 yrs 80 mill deal, hes damn fine player just wish he'd give a discount to play here. If I was a player id give a discount to play with rudy
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Ha. None of us would take the discount... maybe 1-2 M over a four year deal, but nothing meaningful. If it is us and we have 4/80 and BKN offers 4/100... Hill will leave.

I think we should keep him honestly... but none of us should expect any kind of discount or bargain price/
 
I would be down if we are able to sign Deron Williams. He might mentor Exum which would help (if he is ever gonna be something). And with Gobert in we would compensate his defensive liability. I doubt we would have cap space but resigning Millsap will also add us great value. Deron Hood Hayward Millsap Gobert is a certain contender lineup.

-Edit: George Hill isn't a 20 million per year guy. 15 max. It is his decision anyway. If he wants to stay in Utah he should give a good discount for us to afford other pieces. Or he doesnt care about more wins but more money, he can go to a low ranking team and be rich.-
 
sepanol said:
-Edit: George Hill isn't a 20 million per year guy. 15 max. It is his decision anyway. If he wants to stay in Utah he should give a good discount for us to afford other pieces. Or he doesnt care about more wins but more money, he can go to a low ranking team and be rich.-
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Hill was great last night. I doubt we'd be able to go far with him taking up 20 million per, though. I agree that he's either going to have to take less money or play for a crappy team.

Although, I don't know San Antonio's money situation. Maybe they could pay him big money and win? They may be the sole exception.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
Hill was great last night. I doubt we'd be able to go far with him taking up 20 million per, though. I agree that he's either going to have to take less money or play for a crappy team.

Although, I don't know San Antonio's money situation. Maybe they could pay him big money and win? They may be the sole exception.
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His offense and shooting were pretty good last night and he hit big shots. His defense was meh to bad though.
 
I really don't know what team would be willing to sign a 31 year old point guard with a history of injuries to a massive deal.

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nateboz said:
I really don't know what team would be willing to sign a 31 year old point guard with a history of injuries to a massive deal.

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I don't think those injuries have long term repercussions...the thumb, toe, concussion, thickness. It almost feels we are cursed with injuries. He will be fully healthy this offseason. But the Jazz should also look at other options with those 20M a year they are willing to offer

Favors's injuries are more serious for a big man (back, knee). For good as he is when healthy, I don't expect him to be back next year. It seems the experiment with Gobert/Favors together is dead. And Favors deserve more playing time, a bigger role than a backup C and a few minutes at PF. I don't think he would resign here, which means will have to trade him
 
latin jazz said:
I don't think those injuries have long term repercussions...the thumb, toe, concussion, thickness. It almost feels we are cursed with injuries. He will be fully healthy this offseason. But the Jazz should also look at other options with those 20M a year they are willing to offer

Favors's injuries are more serious for a big man (back, knee). For good as he is when healthy, I don't expect him to be back next year. It seems the experiment with Gobert/Favors together is dead. And Favors deserve more playing time, a bigger role than a backup C and a few minutes at PF. I don't think he would resign here, which means will have to trade him
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Hill missed time while with Indiana too. Favors Is just another statistic on a player that had his career ruined by injuries.

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