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Do we overrate the Jazz?

We are doing fine. Burke, Burks, and Ingles look solid off the bench. Chris Johnson is even showing some progress.

We need to get more production out of our bench bigs or get new bench bigs. It's a solvable problem if it continues.

If you would have told me Hayward was going to have a subpar game and that Mo Effing Williams was going to score 29 pts on near perfect shooting I would have guessed we lost by 20 last night. We hung in there with one of the three best teams in the league and LeBron was clearly into it last night. No reason to go crazy here.
 
Stifle Tower said:
I like ribbons, but can I have a Coke instead of a juice box?

I'm more in line with what PG_AB said. Jazz look like a team that will finish around .500. But a key injury throws them into the lottery. They have less depth than we thought as it appears Lyles is nowhere close to contributing and Pleiss/Withey must be really bad to both be riding the pine.

I was thinking a definite 7th/8th seed before the season began. Some were very excited after our first six games, with visions of sugar plums and home court dancing in their heads. I'm merely pointing out that we're further away at this point than many would like to believe. Lindsey has a lot of work to do, The cake is missing some key ingredients. If that's being teenage girl dramatic, then I'm guilty as charged.
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Has anyone ever said we would get home court advantage in the playoffs this year? I think everyone is on the same page (including you), so no, we're not overrating the team. 7th/8th is the hope. Everyone has been saying this all along.

In terms of our future hopes of winning a title, I think we still need "that guy"--the type you tank for (and we did tank for). A lot is riding on the development of Exum.
 
spycam1 said:
Has anyone ever said we would get home court advantage in the playoffs this year? I think everyone is on the same page (including you), so no, we're not overrating the team. 7th/8th is the hope. Everyone has been saying this all along.

In terms of our future hopes of winning a title, I think we still need "that guy"--the type you tank for (and we did tank for). A lot is riding on the development of Exum.
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This.
I hope that exum isn't the difference in being title contenders or not, but he might be. That's scary.
I'm still hoping that Burks, hood, and Gobert improve by allot and Hayward and favors improve a little. That happens and we might not need exum to be superstar. Allot to ask but all of them are so young, offer different skill sets, are not locker room problems, are coachable, and are pretty good already, as we saw last night.

Our core is pretty Damn good and not peaking yet.
 
fishonjazz said:
This.
I hope that exum isn't the difference in being title contenders or not, but he might be. That's scary.
I'm still hoping that Burks, hood, and Gobert improve by allot and Hayward and favors improve a little. That happens and we might not need exum to be superstar. Allot to ask but all of them are so young, offer different skill sets, are not locker room problems, are coachable, and are pretty good already, as we saw last night.

Our core is pretty Damn good and not peaking yet.
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I'll always be of the opinion that you need a legit star to win it all. There are some examples that go away from that trend, like the 2004 Pistons, (and granted we are building around our defense like they did), but I still think we'd have much better chances with a #1 guy. I know it's a scary thought right now, but I honestly do think our Championship hopes lie in the hands of Exum. Either that, or something insane happening like Durant coming here in the offseason. Winning it all with a bunch of B+ offensive weapons isn't a typical recipe for Championship success.
 
spycam1 said:
I'll always be of the opinion that you need a legit star to win it all. There are some examples that go away from that trend, like the 2004 Pistons, (and granted we are building around our defense like they did), but I still think we'd have much better chances with a #1 guy. I know it's a scary thought right now, but I honestly do think our Championship hopes lie in the hands of Exum. Either that, or something insane happening like Durant coming here in the offseason. Winning it all with a bunch of B+ offensive weapons isn't a typical recipe for Championship success.
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even that pistons team had billups to make some big shots. this team + superstar = champoinship


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I've been thinking a little about how good the team can be. If they have another player as good as Hayward offensively, they can probably be contenders. It needs to be an efficient player though. Favors might be turning into that guy. Burks is still pretty inefficient, as well as hood.

Exum needs to take a huge step.

Rudy could be defensive player of the year this year. This is huge. It makes having that other superstar or all around superstar not as necessary.
 
spycam1 said:
I'll always be of the opinion that you need a legit star to win it all. There are some examples that go away from that trend, like the 2004 Pistons, (and granted we are building around our defense like they did), but I still think we'd have much better chances with a #1 guy. I know it's a scary thought right now, but I honestly do think our Championship hopes lie in the hands of Exum. Either that, or something insane happening like Durant coming here in the offseason. Winning it all with a bunch of B+ offensive weapons isn't a typical recipe for Championship success.
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I don't disagree but I would say that the odds of Exum becoming kobe/lebron/steph/durant are smaller than the odds that the jazz become that pistons team.
 
Definitely not. Well, I'm not.

I've stated from the beginning of the year that I don't think the Jazz will make the playoffs but if we improve our record from last year this season will be a positive one. If we make the playoffs like some have predicted, then I think the season will be even more of a success...obviously.

The Jazz are the 4th youngest team in the league and with that youth comes growing pains, mental mistakes and lost opportunities. I think the Jazz are on the right path and I like all of our players though I do NOT have a problem admitting that Burke is on the bubble for me.

Go Jazz!
 
No, we're not. We're pretty objective for the most part.

That said, and I said this last night in the game thread, we really need someone with some chutzpah on this team who says, I'm gonna win this game. And then he does in the closing minutes 8-10 times a year. Like Lebron last night. Every championship team has guys like that. The Pistons had Billups, Rip, and Rasheed to a lesser degree, all of whom had balls and who you'd trust. We have no one.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
No, we're not. We're pretty objective for the most part.

That said, and I said this last night in the game thread, we really need someone with some chutzpah on this team who says, I'm gonna win this game. And then he does in the closing minutes 8-10 times a year. Like Lebron last night. Every championship team has guys like that. The Pistons had Billups, Rip, and Rasheed to a lesser degree, all of whom had balls and who you'd trust. We have no one.
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Alec has the balls part
 
Pretty much everyone thought we were a fringe 7-8 seed in the playoffs this year at best. After the first handful of games I'd say that is pretty spot on with a chance at even being a 5-6 if a few games fall their way (Detroit and Cleveland are great examples of this not happening).

All and all, the Jazz are a very young team who are still figuring out that they CAN play with the big boy teams. That type of surety and confidence doesn't happen overnight and once they actually grasp the fact that they ARE that good they will be a ton of trouble for the NBA.

What I see is an extremely competitive team who has only really been out of one game this entire season so far. They could be 6-1 with a few bounces in their favor. Overrated? No, not even close.
 
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Cunning Linguist said:
No, we're not. We're pretty objective for the most part.

That said, and I said this last night in the game thread, we really need someone with some chutzpah on this team who says, I'm gonna win this game. And then he does in the closing minutes 8-10 times a year. Like Lebron last night. Every championship team has guys like that. The Pistons had Billups, Rip, and Rasheed to a lesser degree, all of whom had balls and who you'd trust. We have no one.
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Hayward started to look like a closer last year, and it's something he focused on in the offseason apparently, but he's really disappointed so far at the end of games thus far. He disappeared in the 4th last night.
 
Stifle Tower said:
*Still haven't beaten a team with a winning record.
*Defense has been porous against Portland and Cleveland.
*Getting lit up by opposing guards
*Can't close out games. Choked against Detroit and Cleveland. Almost gave the Memphis game away.
*Terrible offensive statistics

Utah has ONE quality win (Memphis). Sorry, "moral" victories don't count, especially when you **** the game away at the end. Jazz have no legit starting PG. They have zero quality backup PF's.And apparently no one behind Gobert,


And no, this isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to the Cleveland loss. It's an observation over all the games. Jazz don't seema to be building off last season. Burke (of all people) is the only player that seems to be much improved. No one else looks that much better. And that concerns me with a young team.
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I haven't overrated the Jazz. Said before the season I was not banking on the playoffs, but rather we would contend for 7-8 or just out. In two three years we will be nasty to play. Also we gave LBJ in co all they could handle in cle, and they don't hardly lose at home. Also can't expect the defense to be perfect every game. Lol
 
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