Do you feel the front office is to blame?

[Game6Conley]

I say yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtCQHCOls2E

Here's why;

Blaming (Scapegoating) Hayward is all well and good, what about the people paid to obviate issues such as these? Where was the clairvoyance thats worthy of big-bucks and fancy titles?

They aren't the victims of some elaborate deception, they're just plain old ****ing patsys.. If urine management and poop goes haywire on your watch, you're accountable. No??? "I didn't see it coming" is not an acceptable excuse...

Don't tell me the whole lot of them are absolved.. They put their eggs in the wrong basket, and have totally thrown off the teams trajectory in the process. It was by choice, their hands were NOT forced. They opted for this volatility instead of angling for steady progress thru player development. You can argue they still have young players to develop, the point is WHY DON'T THEY HAVE MORE?!

They traded long-term assets for short term fixes that didn't get the job done, and got left with the bill..

Like I've been saying for years; they overplayed their hand. C'mon now.. They obviously did. This is not all on Hayward, you didn't have to be Miss Cleo to see this coming, the first time he was a free agent he signed elsewhere too.

They balked at countless opportunities to return great assets (PLAY IT SAFE) for Hayward(Suns reportedly offered the 4th and 13th pick in last years draft) in turn for a chance to (GAMBLE) re-sign him, and they failed, Thats the story here.


I told you all, I'd have done a better job, what the front office has done here is very, very very far from impressive (How many assets have been spent on PG's since the Trey Burke fiasco??!?!?!?... the team would be loaded with young talent, instead it's got these vets brought in to appease a player thats not even here(this is like LeBron telling Miami to draft Shabazz Napier all over again) and some pretty good semi-young players that deserve better.


Lets also not forget just how absurd it was to be in 'win-now' mode with the Warriors in the west in the first place................................ What were they thinking? what were they smoking? what kool-aid were they drinking? I feel like if Scrappy Doo was the GM, these are the kind of moves he'd make. All for what too?!? to get demolished by the Warriors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG8dgN6x2EA

If I was the owners I'd fire everyone. How do you look back on these last 2 summers and not just think about how wasteful this all was? For what too? Hayward didn't break any rules, he did what he wanted to do, which he's got the right to. Why the front office didn't ensure a return on the investment is a whole different story.

 

[Revolution 9]

We have one of the best front offices in the league.

 

[cctrackstar]

Another viewpoint: If they had traded Gordon like they did Deron, even knowing that he was leaning toward Boston, than they would always be the team that can be bullied into making a move based on fears. They wanted to show that they would do absolutely everything they could without crippling the franchise to get him to stay. It's a show of dedication that fans almost have to acknowledge. While they may have made mistakes listed above, we all make mistakes, but when it came to trying to keep Gordon, they did everything within this free agent period to keep him. I hate it when a team is forced to trade for bad contracts a year early just to get 'something' for a player. The Jazz do get something, a whole 30 million in extra money to re-up their current players that actually want to be here, and even some possible free agent money if they pull some strings. The ship isn't sinking, it's just getting a new first mate, and who knows, maybe the new guy will be better in the long run.

 

[stitches]

They are not to blame for anything they did before this off-season. They are to blame for getting played by Hayward and his agent. Giving bad contract to Ingles and trading for untradeable Rubio(Minny has been trying to get rid off him for 2 years and we gave them a first and capspace to do it). Now we are stuck in mediocrity. This I can blame the FO for.

 

[SCS]

Personally I called for them to trade Hayward last summer for either the #3 (Boston) or #4 (Phoenix) pick. I wanted Buddy Hield. I knew he was going to be a good scorer in the league and having him to develop on a cheap 4 year rookie deal with the rest of the young guys would have been nice. I felt like the team at that time lacked a true superstar and I felt that going over the cap to pay Hayward without one was poor team building. I didn't want to get stuck in a situation similar to the one that Charlotte is in right now for instance. Where they have one good player and everyone else is overpaid and average. However, little did I know how damn good Rudy Gobert would be. I knew he would be good last summer but I didn't think he would be THAT good. Dude is the superstar I thought we were lacking. I think that's why they held on to Hayward last summer. Calculated gamble that didn't pay off. Had he stayed we'd be looking great right now.

To answer your question, no. I don't blame the front office on this one. They did everything possible to make it work. It just didn't. And I disagree that they had all their eggs in one basket. We have a bunch of young players to develop. And almost everyone on the roster is on a short term contract. We should have cap space to work with next summer. We have ways to recover from this.

 

[Game6Conley]

We have one of the best front offices in the league.

I'm not buying it, the charade is over. There's a trail of inefficiency and waste they've left behind for all to see which says otherwise.

Rudy's better at playing C, and Quinn Snyder is better at coaching, than the front office is at doing their job, they're clearly one of the weak links in the chain.

 

[SCS]

I'm not buying it, the charade is over. There's a trail of inefficiency and waste they've left behind for all to see which says otherwise.

Rudy's better at playing C, and Quinn Snyder is better at coaching, than the front office is at doing their job, they're clearly one of the weak links in the chain.

What exactly has the front office done wrong over the last handful of years specifically? After DL took over.

 

[Game6Conley]

Another viewpoint: If they had traded Gordon like they did Deron, even knowing that he was leaning toward Boston, than they would always be the team that can be bullied into making a move based on fears. They wanted to show that they would do absolutely everything they could without crippling the franchise to get him to stay. It's a show of dedication that fans almost have to acknowledge. While they may have made mistakes listed above, we all make mistakes, but when it came to trying to keep Gordon, they did everything within this free agent period to keep him. I hate it when a team is forced to trade for bad contracts a year early just to get 'something' for a player. The Jazz do get something, a whole 30 million in extra money to re-up their current players that actually want to be here, and even some possible free agent money if they pull some strings. The ship isn't sinking, it's just getting a new first mate, and who knows, maybe the new guy will be better in the long run.

This is so ****ing absurd, I'm glad you posted it. Thanks for the response.

 

[Game6Conley]

What exactly has the front office done wrong over the last handful of years?

Where shall I begin? I've been detailing it step-by-step since I got to this forum.

For starters they should've signed Harrison Barnes instead of trading for Boris Diaw and signing Joe Johnson last summer....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeocG2Sambw


I was chastised and insulted over and over for saying this... That he was worth the max and they had the space to give it to him, AND THAT HE'D BE INSURANCE FOR IF HAYWARD LEFT...but it was met with pages and new threads completely filled with bitter hateful responses.

2ndly they should've drafted the obviously superior Dennis Schroder over Trey Burke, that error has compounded itself so many times over, now they owe the 2018 pick if they make the playoffs for another PG.. It's insane.. HOW MANY ASSETS HAVE BEEN SPENT ON PG's, look no further than that for the obscene inefficiency of the front office, this issue has been festering for years...

3rdly trading a lottery pick for a one year rental for George Hill was reckless, risky and short sighted. He wasn't even available to play vs the warriors in the playoffs, what a cherry on top.

4th; If you're not getting better in the NBA, you're getting worse, and the Jazz have become much worse this offseason. No? Perennial loser teams like the Kings and 76ers have made immeasurably more progress than Utah this summer, and they're much younger.

 

[Aneurism]

I blame the fans that booed him when he was drafted. But seriously, does there really need to be blame ? The front office did what they could, .. However, I'd be more concerned if they did not have a backup plan in place. That wouldn't sound like DL.. I'm going to stay positive and assume that he pulls some magic out of a hat to keep us competitive.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I don't blame the front office. If the eastern conference wasn't so much weaker than the west, and if Brad Stevens wasn't his soul mate, Hayward would have stayed.

 

[cctrackstar]

This is so ****ing absurd, I'm glad you posted it. Thanks for the response.

I'm becoming aware that i have a different view from many other people on this board. Fine. I like my views, and will continue to baffle the minds of those that don't get me. I am much more interested in the development of the rough jems that just need polishing than I am trading for a superstar. It's much more personable to me. It isn't what some other fans like. Meh. I like sardines and vinegar drinks too. Hate me if you want, fine.

(looks for umbrella to block some of the backlash)

Edit: and salt+vinegar chips, and green olives, and squid. I had calamari once at the la'cai, it wasn't half bad. and mutton/lamb. love that stuff. oh, and liver and chicken hearts too. and tripe, when done right.

 

[Game6Conley]

I blame the fans that booed him when he was drafted. But seriously, does there really need to be blame ? The front office did what they could, .. However, I'd be more concerned if they did not have a backup plan in place. That wouldn't sound like DL.. I'm going to stay positive and assume that he pulls some magic out of a hat to keep us competitive.

They sacrificed too much and fell too short, of course there should be blame.

The objective is to win the championship, right? Their house of cards plan to make it happen has just collapsed for all to see, in a way that would lead most sensible folks to believe it was a ****ty plan in the first place. Now its back to the drawing board and the window where they had players like Rodney Hood on contract for cheap is nearly closed, and they weren't able to seize those opportunities.

 

[Game6Conley]

I'm becoming aware that i have a different view from many other people on this board. Fine. I like my views, and will continue to baffle the minds of those that don't get me. I am much more interested in the development of the rough jems that just need polishing than I am trading for a superstar. It's much more personable to me. It isn't what some other fans like. Meh. I like sardines and vinegar drinks too. Hate me if you want, fine.

(looks for umbrella to block some of the backlash)

Edit: and salt+vinegar chips, and green olives, and squid. I had calamari once at the la'cai, it wasn't half bad. and mutton/lamb. love that stuff,

The thing is dude I've been calling for this. The issue here is why aren't there more gems to polish? The FO cast the chance at many new ones aside to go and invest in fools gold, thats the answer.... Thats by-far the most infuriating part of this whole thing... There's serious cap flexibility ramifications from these moves too.


They could've gotten several back for Hayward. They could've had one instead of trading for George Hill. They could've had another instead of trading for Ricky Rubio. They wasted 2 opportunites for gems to trade up for Burke. They could've gone after younger free agents who need polish instead they went for "win-now" experienced vets, only to run straight into a brick wall and 4 1st quarter blowouts in a 2nd rd sweep...

 

[fishonjazz]

Pgab is to blame for this abortion of a thread.

 

[Game6Conley]

Pgab is to blame for this abortion of a thread.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

55-60 win team with just 2 key players healthy, let alone all the other injuries like doucheward missing the first month.

If you put together a team capable of winning that much and somebody wants to claim incompetence, that's when you start ignoring their posts and autonegging.

Did not read OP other than I say yes. Betting 95% of posters do same.

 

[BTP]

I'm fine with everything but the first Hayward extension. At this point in time it was already pretty obvious that a cap spike was coming, and if it really only came down to 500k per year in the 2013 extension talks then it was not smart to not take it. In 2014 a 5 year max with no player options would have been the way to go since it was clear that Hayward was still improving and a 2014 max would even in worst case be a reasonable salary for a 3rd option in 2016 and onwards.
Had they gotten more years they wouldn't have been forced to negotiate in 2017 and instead in 2019 or 2018, where the circumstances could have been more in favor of the Jazz. I'm sure Lindsey learned from it and it showed in Rudy's extension last year.
It's a really bad situation for the Jazz right now, we'll see what comes from it over time but I'm bummed as well right now.

 

[tleikheen]

Yes ,a weak yes but yes nevertheless.....Kanter wanted out and Jazz should have partnered him with Gobert ,instead they backed Favors who has been hurt alot the past two seasons.We all know kanter is weak defensively but his scoring is elite and instead of Gobert protecting s poor defender like Kanter he covers for a one legged Favors if they play together.
Now Hayward who signed away from Jazz once before leaves AGAIN but this time to never come back to play with the Jazz anymore.Hayward was professional about it,playing like an AllStar but he signed a contract with another team AGAIN !!!!
The Jazz traded a lottery pick for what turns out to be a one year rental and signed old vets and quite possibly having alienated Exum and Hood as a result.They will be RFA next year but will we see them sign with another team to see Jazz match,another Hayward situation.

Jazz need to play the young players ,it's a players league and get back to their core beliefs ...draft and develop.Quit alienating their young players for short term gains.Golden State drafted and developed themselves into a powerhouse ....I thought the Jazz were on their way until they wandered from their gameplan to appease Hayward.Imagine if they drafted last year their 12th pick pared with their 12th pick this year.Stick to the program Jazz !

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I'm fine with everything but the first Hayward extension. At this point in time it was already pretty obvious that a cap spike was coming, and if it really only came down to 500k per year in the 2013 extension talks then it was not smart to not take it. In 2014 a 5 year max with no player options would have been the way to go since it was clear that Hayward was still improving and a 2014 max would even in worst case be a reasonable salary for a 3rd option in 2016 and onwards.
Had they gotten more years they wouldn't have been forced to negotiate in 2017 and instead in 2019 or 2018, where the circumstances could have been more in favor of the Jazz. I'm sure Lindsey learned from it and it showed in Rudy's extension last year.
It's a really bad situation for the Jazz right now, we'll see what comes from it over time but I'm bummed as well right now.

Nothing was obvious about Hayward's first contract. He didn't have a good year leading up, and it was far from a given that he'd get maxed. Also, matching that contract was a huge gamble. It could have easily gone the other way, where Hayward had several more mediocre years, in which case, everybody would be using their power of hindsight to say it should have been obvious not to match.