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Do you feel the front office is to blame?

Biggest mistake was not giving Hayward the 5 year max when he was a RFA. But at that time, it was quite unpopular to give him the max, and we didn't know the cap would spike that much. His old max was the equivalent of like 25mil a year for an inefficient 16/5/5 guy. Obviously they misread the market and Hayward's progression, so there's a lot of hindsight involved and some bad luck since they didn't know about the cap spike. If he was locked in for 2 more years at like 16mil/yr right now, we could have traded him for some of Ainge's assets he holds so dearly. Stevens probably would have persuaded him to give up one of Tatum/Brown plus a first (maybe that Memphis 1st that becomes unprotected). Rolling with an Exum, Mitchell, Hood, Gobert, Favors, Brown or Tatum core could have been legit.
 
I have zero issue with this front office an a tonne of issues with douche_ab. Just stfu. Wayward screwed us over
 
The Spurs have been developing young guys while winning with vets for years. The thing that they do to make it work is to convince the vets to play for less money because they want to play for the Spurs. Team culture, and getting the right kind of players. I really thought that Hayward was the right kind, but turns out that he was just an insecure player who wanted to curl up at the feet of the security blanket of his college coach to play against inferior talent to get a false easy victory until he gets buzz sawed by the warriors or whomever comes out of the west (frankly, the top four teams in the west would beat his team).

Anyway, the way you have years of success is to do a delicate balancing act between development and winning, but winning prevents high draft picks, so you have to find those jems that just need polishing, but they won't want to stay here if the team isn't winning, so you actually do need both winning and development. The Jazz are close, but this sets them back some.
 
Let's admit the Jazz front office has been naive and passive. They took Mack and Hill in order to convince Hayward to stay...they traded for Rubio and re-sign Ingles for the same reason. This is not the way to manage a franchise.

We can't blame Hayward, he had too many reasons to join the Celtics. The Jazz had to know Hayward's plans long time ago and not letting him all the time to decide and arrive to such conclusion.
 
Let's see how magnanimous everyone is once the season starts and The Jazz struggle to score 85 points every night.

The FO has done some amazing things in the past but what matters is what your team looks like today. And in the last week The Jazz lost their two best offensive players and two leaders and replaced them with one of the most inefficient shooters in the league.

Sorry, but this team as it stands now will not make the playoffs. Fans should be holding the FO's feet to the fire right now otherwise there are going to be some very pissed off fans come December.
 
Diamond77 said:
Let's admit the Jazz front office has been naive and passive. They took Mack and Hill in order to convince Hayward to stay...they traded for Rubio and re-sign Ingles for the same reason. This is not the way to manage a franchise.

We can't blame Hayward, he had too many reasons to join the Celtics. The Jazz had to know Hayward's plans long time ago and not letting him all the time to decide and arrive to such conclusion.
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The only reasons to go to the Celtics are their own. Are you really so stupid as to think that they knew of his plans and didn't act ?? ffs
 
If it looks really bad they'll probably go tank mode for 2 years..and maybe try to rebuild around Gobert and Mitchell
 
Ab has some legitimate points, I agree that the Trey Burke decision has proven monumental, and it's never sat well that it was made by Corbin. Wtf does his input matter? Especially considering they knew he was out in a year. Many on here were wanting Burke but there was a strong contingent wanting giannis and Rudy. Luckily we got Rudy! Not a fan of Harrison Barnes though and don't feel we'd be necessarily in a better place with him. The George Hill thing was an OK gamble to me ONLY BECAUSE that draft sucked hardcore
 
I think the IG post with Hayward's kids with clover shirts should have been taken more seriously.
 
We can't just trade off our best player every time his contract is almost up. If the jazz did Business like u want them to, they'll never get anywhere in none stop building mode


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Hmm I'll thumps up your post for creativity and making a semi-valid point

Yeah he took a few days to decide because he was torn but yes I think he's had his mind on Boston for a long time and I don't hate on him, change is good, in his shoes i'd probably moved on too, but yes as a Jazz fan I'm let down. It was a good business move and it's his life, he gave us his best while here no?

I look forward to what our FO does because they are one of the best. Did you see Donovan Mitchell at summer league? Rubio was a smooth move too.

No telling what the future holds but I'll be rooting for Gordon against James & Durant I tell you that! I also can't wait to see Hayward get crossed up by Rubio or Mitchell or Exum exclamated by a thunderous slam from Gobert! All players our front office brought in bro!
 
DownUnder said:
The only reasons to go to the Celtics are their own. Are you really so stupid as to think that they knew of his plans and didn't act ?? ffs
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The management had to pressure Hayward to tell them his plans before 1st July! Hayward and his agent made only their interests without caring about the Jazz.
 
Hayward was going to do what he wanted, but that isn't to say that management could have done more.

1)Give him a 5 yr deal instead of making him go out and get the Charlotte offer (we'd still have him another year)

2)I feel like he wasn't utilized properly under Quin's offense. Without a doubt, Boston's offensive sets will be much more complementary to Hayward's game. Sadly Boston runs a lot of the classic Jazz offense. I liked Boston a lot more before yesterday. A big part of Boston's presentation was how their offensive sets would help Hayward.

It is easy to second guess a lot of other management decisions in hindsight, whether it be draft picks, etc. Overall I feel management has done a good job with the team., but I do feel like they mishandled aspects of the overall process with Hayward (not that they didn't also do a lot right).

Sadly it is just a big step back when we looked like they were ready to take a big leap forward. I will try and look on the bright side, and hope that Exum has a lot of growth and Mitchell will shine. Although I also think Exum will bounce as soon as he can too. ****.
 
I blame DL and the Jazz front office for misjudging the market before Hayward became a free agent. 2013 could have seen them extend him at a 5 year max AND keep DeMarre Carrol and Paul Millsap for what would amount to peanuts. That's my biggest gripe.

Jazz did everything right this offseason and he still left. Nothing you can do about that. I think fans would be less pissed if he's come out right after the playoffs and said he was going to Boston and Utah could have focused on moving forward. CP3 jumped to Houston right off the bat and there hasn't been a peep. Hayward played with heartstrings and gave fans hope. That's what has people upset.

Thankfully, DL is a really solid GM (Gobert, Hood, JJ, Mitchell and hopefully Rubio are all solid acquisitions)and they've got a young franchise player like Gobert to build around. Now is when DL gets to earn his money.
 
Thinking in the context of this being a business, I'd say management has done a fine job. Seats are full, merchandise is moving and most fans are satisfied with us getting past the first round. We stay out of the luxury tax and don't generally overpay. A championship is a fools dream in this market and that is reality. You do the best with what you can get and hope to stay at or above .500. Hayward didn't like the culture in Utah so he left. That's life. Who's to say that even if they had traded him his replacement would have felt any different? I will continue to watch and cheer for the ultimate underdogs (Jazz). Cheer their victories and rue the losses but stay in reality. Good for the Millers and everyone else profiting off of their foresight. That's what America's all about isn't it?
 
PG_AB said:
I say yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtCQHCOls2E

Here's why;

Blaming (Scapegoating) Hayward is all well and good, what about the people paid to obviate issues such as these? Where was the clairvoyance thats worthy of big-bucks and fancy titles?

They aren't the victims of some elaborate deception, they're just plain old ****ing patsys.. If urine management and poop goes haywire on your watch, you're accountable. No??? "I didn't see it coming" is not an acceptable excuse...

Don't tell me the whole lot of them are absolved.. They put their eggs in the wrong basket, and have totally thrown off the teams trajectory in the process. It was by choice, their hands were NOT forced. They opted for this volatility instead of angling for steady progress thru player development. You can argue they still have young players to develop, the point is WHY DON'T THEY HAVE MORE?!

They traded long-term assets for short term fixes that didn't get the job done, and got left with the bill..

Like I've been saying for years; they overplayed their hand. C'mon now.. They obviously did. This is not all on Hayward, you didn't have to be Miss Cleo to see this coming, the first time he was a free agent he signed elsewhere too.

They balked at countless opportunities to return great assets (PLAY IT SAFE) for Hayward(Suns reportedly offered the 4th and 13th pick in last years draft) in turn for a chance to (GAMBLE) re-sign him, and they failed, Thats the story here.


I told you all, I'd have done a better job, what the front office has done here is very, very very far from impressive (How many assets have been spent on PG's since the Trey Burke fiasco??!?!?!?... the team would be loaded with young talent, instead it's got these vets brought in to appease a player thats not even here(this is like LeBron telling Miami to draft Shabazz Napier all over again) and some pretty good semi-young players that deserve better.


Lets also not forget just how absurd it was to be in 'win-now' mode with the Warriors in the west in the first place................................ What were they thinking? what were they smoking? what kool-aid were they drinking? I feel like if Scrappy Doo was the GM, these are the kind of moves he'd make. All for what too?!? to get demolished by the Warriors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG8dgN6x2EA

If I was the owners I'd fire everyone. How do you look back on these last 2 summers and not just think about how wasteful this all was? For what too? Hayward didn't break any rules, he did what he wanted to do, which he's got the right to. Why the front office didn't ensure a return on the investment is a whole different story.
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Not at all. This is on Hayward.
 
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