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One Brow said:
carolinajazz believes that to be a fiction. He believes Jesus was crucified on a stake.
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...."I believe"? The use of the cross can be traced back to Mesopotamia, to two thousand years before Christ. Crosses even decorated Scandinavian rock engravings during the Bronze Age, centuries before Jesus was born. Such non-Christians used the cross “as a magic sign .*.*. giving protection, bringing good luck,” wrote Sven Tito Achen, Danish historian and expert on symbols, in the book Symbols Around Us. It is no wonder that the New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures, where it has largely a cosmic or natural signification.” Why, then, have the churches chosen the cross as their most sacred symbol?

W.*E.*Vine, respected British scholar, offers these hard facts: “By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. .*.*. pagans were received into the churches .*.*. and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, .*.*. with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted.”—Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words.

Vine further notes that both the noun “cross” and the verb “crucify” refer to “a stake or pale .*.*. distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed cross.” In agreement with this, Oxford University’s Companion Bible says: “The evidence is .*.*. that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle.” Clearly, the churches have adopted a tradition that is not Biblical.

Historian Achen, quoted above, observes: “In the two centuries after the death of Jesus it is doubtful that the Christians ever used the device of the cross.” To the early Christians, he adds, the cross “must have chiefly denoted death and evil, like the guillotine or the electric chair to later generations.”

“The shape of the [two-beamed cross] had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the cross of Christ.”—An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (London, 1962), W. E. Vine, p. 256.

“It is strange, yet unquestionably a fact, that in ages long before the birth of Christ, and since then in lands untouched by the teaching of the Church, the Cross has been used as a sacred symbol. .*.*. The Greek Bacchus, the Tyrian Tammuz, the Chaldean Bel, and the Norse Odin, were all symbolised to their votaries by a cruciform device.”—The Cross in Ritual, Architecture, and Art (London, 1900), G. S. Tyack, p. 1.

“The cross in the form of the ‘Crux Ansata’*.*.*. was carried in the hands of the Egyptian priests and Pontiff kings as the symbol of their authority as priests of the Sun god and was called ‘the Sign of Life.’”—The Worship of the Dead (London, 1904), Colonel J. Garnier, p. 226.

“Various figures of crosses are found everywhere on Egyptian monuments and tombs, and are considered by many authorities as symbolical either of the phallus [a representation of the male sex organ] or of coition. .*.*. In Egyptian tombs the crux ansata [cross with a circle or handle on top] is found side by side with the phallus.”—A Short History of Sex-Worship (London, 1940), H. Cutner, pp. 16,*17; see also The Non-Christian Cross, p.*183.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I was stuck in an MRI machine once for over 45 minutes with no human contact.
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Are you sure it was 45 minutes? 5 minutes alone is an eternity. Great post.

I would have given that specialist some **** for just leaving me there.


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VINYLONE said:
Are you sure it was 45 minutes? 5 minutes alone is an eternity. Great post.

I would have given that specialist some **** for just leaving me there.


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I know because of the times involved, I figured it out while I sat in the waiting room. I can't remember the exact times right now but when they put me in the machine it was like 11:00 am, they did some testing but very little before he saw the tumor, and it took a bit to come in and pull me out of the machine again, and by then it was noon, so I figured 45 minutes or so. At the time it felt like hours passed.

And oh boy I gave him and the radiologist and the nurse at the front desk all kinds of **** for it. I doubt he does that again. I kind of felt bad later because he was legitimately seeing something he had never seen before and finding it did kind of save my life, but still. Holy **** that was terrifying.
 
carolinajazz said:
...."I believe"? The use of the cross can be traced back to Mesopotamia, to two thousand years before Christ. Crosses even decorated Scandinavian rock engravings during the Bronze Age, centuries before Jesus was born. Such non-Christians used the cross “as a magic sign .*.*. giving protection, bringing good luck,” wrote Sven Tito Achen, Danish historian and expert on symbols, in the book Symbols Around Us. It is no wonder that the New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures, where it has largely a cosmic or natural signification.” Why, then, have the churches chosen the cross as their most sacred symbol?

W.*E.*Vine, respected British scholar, offers these hard facts: “By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. .*.*. pagans were received into the churches .*.*. and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, .*.*. with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted.”—Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words.

Vine further notes that both the noun “cross” and the verb “crucify” refer to “a stake or pale .*.*. distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed cross.” In agreement with this, Oxford University’s Companion Bible says: “The evidence is .*.*. that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle.” Clearly, the churches have adopted a tradition that is not Biblical.

Historian Achen, quoted above, observes: “In the two centuries after the death of Jesus it is doubtful that the Christians ever used the device of the cross.” To the early Christians, he adds, the cross “must have chiefly denoted death and evil, like the guillotine or the electric chair to later generations.”

“The shape of the [two-beamed cross] had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the cross of Christ.”—An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (London, 1962), W. E. Vine, p. 256.

“It is strange, yet unquestionably a fact, that in ages long before the birth of Christ, and since then in lands untouched by the teaching of the Church, the Cross has been used as a sacred symbol. .*.*. The Greek Bacchus, the Tyrian Tammuz, the Chaldean Bel, and the Norse Odin, were all symbolised to their votaries by a cruciform device.”—The Cross in Ritual, Architecture, and Art (London, 1900), G. S. Tyack, p. 1.

“The cross in the form of the ‘Crux Ansata’*.*.*. was carried in the hands of the Egyptian priests and Pontiff kings as the symbol of their authority as priests of the Sun god and was called ‘the Sign of Life.’”—The Worship of the Dead (London, 1904), Colonel J. Garnier, p. 226.

“Various figures of crosses are found everywhere on Egyptian monuments and tombs, and are considered by many authorities as symbolical either of the phallus [a representation of the male sex organ] or of coition. .*.*. In Egyptian tombs the crux ansata [cross with a circle or handle on top] is found side by side with the phallus.”—A Short History of Sex-Worship (London, 1940), H. Cutner, pp. 16,*17; see also The Non-Christian Cross, p.*183.
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Nuh-uh.
 
Hantlers said:
So this is why you didn't ever grow.
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VINYLONE said:
Wow. That was really ****ing stupid and unfunny.

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Disagree. Any type of height joke aimed at you is funny; because you're so small. And douchey.

I just love it when kkkarolina just copy/pastes other peoples thoughts and ideas as if they are his own.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Disagree. Any type of height joke aimed at you is funny; because you're so small. And douchey.
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Ok.


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E.J. Wells said:
Disagree. Any type of height joke aimed at you is funny; because you're so small. And douchey.

I just love it when kkkarolina just copy/pastes other peoples thoughts and ideas as if they are his own.
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Wait. Those were thoughts? Huh. I just saw propaganda.
 
LogGrad98 said:
And oh boy I gave him and the radiologist and the nurse at the front desk all kinds of **** for it. I doubt he does that again. I kind of felt bad later because he was legitimately seeing something he had never seen before and finding it did kind of save my life, but still. Holy **** that was terrifying.
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Well then, that was a fantastic story, dude. Complete amateur hour by that ****ing guy. There's really no excuse though I"m glad you're better health wise.

Archie Moses said:
If you're an inner city, yuppie, little school-girl it is.
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Yuppie? As hard as it might be, don't be daft.
 
DutchJazzer said:
exactly and thats why i dont get the cross being used as a symbol for christianity
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For what it's worth, Mormons do not use the cross as a symbol. But I respect those who do. To the Catholics who use a crucifix, i.e. a cross with the body of Jesus on it, it is representative of the suffering for our sins that he went through. And to the Protestants who use a bare cross, the cross without the body on it is representative of Jesus' resurrection.
 
colton said:
For what it's worth, Mormons do not use the cross as a symbol. But I respect those who do. To the Catholics who use a crucifix, i.e. a cross with the body of Jesus on it, it is representative of the suffering for our sins that he went through. And to the Protestants who use a bare cross, the cross without the body on it is representative of Jesus' resurrection.
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And Bible-thumping weirdos use this to represent Jesus' amazing submission defense:

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E.J. Wells said:
And Bible-thumping weirdos use this to represent Jesus' amazing submission defense:

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Even if he wanted to how could he? I mean, I'm just sayin'.


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E.J. Wells said:
Are we talking like, in the turd pipe? Or, perhaps by a flint-headed spear thrown from cover?


Seriously, I'd like to know.
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Well both sound pretty horrible but I was referring to getting stabbed with a sharp object. That's probably one of the worst ways to leave this earth.
 
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