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Does Jabari Parker have a chance at slipping past the 4th overall pick?

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cavs - embiid and all the talk will be Bowie over Jordan. embiid is the best center to come out since ... a long time.

bucks - wiggins and they don't flinch. for the jazz I am kind of hoping for embiid here then steal sanders away from them for pennies on the dollar. the bucks are just awful and exum will get a long look here.

6ers - are in the worst position because they are not ready to compete so Parker is not the best option. Noel can be a 4 or a 5. what Philly needs is shooting. in comes vonleh. I don't think they draft him here unless Orlando falls in love vonleh. exum and McW is just a bad combo. I could see the 6ers do 2 things trade down one spot with Orlando and then trade down again with the jazz getting vonleh at 5 and adding a couple more 1st. although I only see the trade with Utah happen.

magic - exum is a solid pick to pair with oladipo. exum, dipo, Harris, ?, vujicic is a solid young core with harkless coming in off the bench. afflalo will be traded. look for Orlando to grab a pf at 12. Payne would be a great pick up.

Utah - Parker with the trade up with Philly giving up our pick n 2017 but keeping the gsw pick. watch for burks to be in the running for 6th man of the year which is a perfect role for him. who ever is hot between Parker, Hayward and burks finish off games.
 
If Parker falls to #3, I call Philly and offer 5, Kanter and Burks.

Done deal.

Burke
Hayward
Parker
Favors

That might be a real core. Much better than the core 4 crap going around the last couple of years.

Before you say that's too much, how excited would you be if you were a GM and you were offered two bench players who don't play defense on a terrible team for your pick...it's probably not enough.
 
green said:
If Parker falls to #3, I call Philly and offer 5, Kanter and Burks.

Done deal.

Burke
Hayward
Parker
Favors

That might be a real core. Much better than the core 4 crap going around the last couple of years.

Before you say that's too much, how excited would you be if you were a GM and you were offered two bench players who don't play defense on a terrible team for your pick...it's probably not enough.
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Bench players under a questionable coach who will be starting this season.
So as Philly GM, I get a starter at #5 and two 6th-men (at worst) for a player who doesn't play defense in Parker. Please get DL on the phone. This is an absolute STEAL for Philadelphia.
 
I wrote this a week ago.
we have to create a convincing smokescreen about JP.
like:
"He will go on a mission and will not be able to play basketball for three years. what a way to waste the pick"

now facebook and twitter time baby!
Let's bring the boy home!
 
green said:
That might be a real core. Much better than the core 4 crap going around the last couple of years.
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Or jabari turns out to be average and burks and kanter make huge strides on thier new teams.

But ya, it COULD be a good deal for the jazz..... i just dont think its as much of a sure thing that jabari is a star and burks and kanter are scrubs as you make it seem.

Plus gordon, smart, vonleh or whoever could turn out really good.


So what if we do that trade and jabari ends up about as good as hayward, burks and kanter develop into all stars, and gordon, smart, vonleh end up really good? How would that trade look?
 
Woah guys. WOAH. Totally called it!!! Check this out from CBS:


By Matt Moore
CBSSports.com NBA writer


With workouts beginning, there are some interesting trends accelerating as we get closer to the draft. The "Big 3" is becoming the "Big 2" with Joel Embiid, despite his back issue, and Andrew Wiggins separating themselves from Jabari Parker. Meanwhile, Noah Vonleh, Dante Exum, Marcus Smart, and Aaron Gordon have made strides which have solidified the second tier along with Julius Randle and Parker.
There are guys like Jordan Clarkson from Missouri, who is wowing people in workouts, and the momentum of Adreian Payne as he creeps closer and closer to the top ten.

There's a good chance Parker doesn't fall past his season-long top-3 standing. But workout season brings weird trends, and there's always a wrench thrown in the top five. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Parker slips as he does in this edition of the mock draft.

And I still can't justify Dario Saric in the top seven.

Here's this week's mock.

NBA MOCK DRAFT - 06/04/2014
ROUND 1
1. CLEVELAND CAVALIERS - Joel Embiid, C, Kansas: There are a lot of ways this could go wrong, but you just can't have your first act as GM be to pass up Joel Embiid. He's too much of everything good. (Previous: 2)
2. MILWAUKEE BUCKS - Andrew Wiggins, SF, Kansas: No brainer for Milwaukee. They get a transcendent star to build around slowly. Now they just need to dump all that contract material they signed last year. (Previous: 1)
3. PHILADELPHIA 76ERS - Noah Vonleh, PF, Indiana: REACH ALERT. Listen, if Sam Hinkie's not getting a transcendent star, what did he tank for? He goes for the maximum upside here, in the belief that Vonleh and Noel combine to form some sort of space pterodactyl. Parker's the obvious go here, but with limited ceiling and athleticism, he doesn't fit the Hinkie profile. (Previous: 5)
4. ORLANDO MAGIC - Dante Exum, SG, Australia: I have reservations about this. The Magic seem high on him, and Exum has leapt into top-four consideration. But given your franchise history... do you really want to be drafting another talented, engaging athlete with a soft spot in his heart for LA? (Previous: 4)
5. UTAH JAZZ - Jabari Parker, SF, Duke: This makes obscene amounts of sense. Parker slips, and the Mormon goes to Salt Lake City and it's perfect. He's also a great fit with the team and can play with Hayward, Kanter, or Favors in certain lineups. This is a no-brainer, to the point I genuinely want this to happen. (Previous: 3)

23. UTAH JAZZ (VIA GOLDEN STATE) - Elfrid Payton, PG, Louisiana-Lafayette: They like what they have in Trey Burke, but Payton is a great pickup here. (Previous: 28)

35. UTAH JAZZ - Jordan Clarkson, SG, Missouri: Clarkson has been a star in workouts, shining in interviews and in shooting drills. (Previous: 39)
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cowhide said:
It would be interesting to see the meltdown if Parker was at #5 and the Jazz took Gordon instead. It would be epic. I don't discount Parker dropping but I would be a little shock if Parker made it to 5. What is funny, is how the press theorizes that the Jazz want Parker because he is Mormon and how many Mormon Jazz fans pretend that it isn't a major reason why they want him. No one even knows where he falls on their board. I remember Parker be are #7 preseason on a mock draft.

I worry about the Mormon factor. Now don't go crazy, it is a compliment. Many Mormon athletes struggle with wanting to be involved in the church and be with their families so sports isn't always the biggest thing in their lives. Bradley even admitted to it. Many mormons go on missions and return don't have the same enthusiasm for sports. Now, I don't know if Parker is this way since he isn't going on a mission but perhaps Parker isn't as driven because he feels there are more important things that matter. Again, I don't know if this is true or not and it certainly is a generalization but I think you cannot entirely dismiss the idea.
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I think the bigger reason that return missionaries don't generally have a big impact in the major league at skill positions is that giving up 2 years of prime development time is simply too much to overcome. While the missionaries are knocking on doors their competition is giving 100% effort to pursuing their athletic goals.
 
I predicted about 4-5 months ago in this forum that Jarbari Parker's draft stock would drop. He didn't perform well against players with NBA length or athleticism in college. He takes a lot of contested shots and will be playing against guys that are quicker, taller, and more athletic. Jabari will have a harder time getting those contested shots off in the NBA in my opinion, leading to more blocked shots and turnovers. I think he will be the number 2 scorer on a team with a number one scoring mentality. I haven't even touched on his defense in which he might be in the bottom 5 of the entire draft. Everyone loves to play on offense because it is fun but defense is all about determination and work ethic, he doesn't seem to care much on defense. Like one of the previous posters said on here, he got benched several times and chewed out by coach K. There is a lot of fans that seems to think if we draft him that the Jazz would be able to retain him because he is Morman, I disagree with this statement and should go with Bpa at our pick and here is why:

He chose Duke over BYU, meaning he put a chance of being a title contender and being in the spotlight over playing for BYU.

He also chose to enter this years draft putting money over a potential NCAA championship.

I would guess he will probably put off a mission to play in the NBA next.

My point is that Jabari Parker likes the spotlight and he is going to do whatever favors him. I personally think he would rather play for the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, or even the Bulls. He would be more in the spotlight and make more money on endorsements. I could even see him wanting to play for NBA championship contenders over the Utah Jazz if the Jazz is not contending in the next 3-4 years.


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White Chocolate said:
No way in hell this happens, but you take Parker still.

For the record I would be ecstatic if Exum is there at #5, let alone Parker.
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I agree. I just wonder if you can put together a package that might entice Boston or LA and you grab them both.

I know crazy talk, right?

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orangello said:
I agree. I just wonder if you can put together a package that might entice Boston or LA and you grab them both.

I know crazy talk, right?

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Crazier things have happened.
 
LOL... I'm gonna fall out of my chair if Philly picks Vonleh at #3 and ORL picks Smart at #5...



Leaving us with the Jabari vs Exum conundrum.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I think the bigger reason that return missionaries don't generally have a big impact in the major league at skill positions is that giving up 2 years of prime development time is simply too much to overcome. While the missionaries are knocking on doors their competition is giving 100% effort to pursuing their athletic goals.
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What are our comparisons between RM and non-RM LDS athletes? It's hard to argue that Shawn Bradley would have had a better career had he not gone on a mission. If anything, he would have had more college experience, perhaps giving a more reasonable expectation of his career trajectory, and he may have not been the 2nd pick. How does the Jimmer fit in to the equation? I'm not a huge football fan, so I'm not sure about a lot of those guys as I'd imagine there are more LDS guys that have been in the NFL than NBA or MLB.
 
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