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Does Jabari Parker have a chance at slipping past the 4th overall pick?

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I don't think that Parker falls past 3. I'd be happy to see the Jazz throw a boatload of picks to get him, but I'd prefer to keep the current players and add a veteran coach to go along with that roster. I think that would be a helluva start toward getting back to a playoff team.
 
If Parker and Exum are both there at 5, then I think you still pick Parker, and try to offer Burke and Kanter plus some other picks to LA to get Exum. There is probably no way LA passes on Exum though, as I bet their #1 is Wiggins, and 1a is Exum.
 
infection said:
What are our comparisons between RM and non-RM LDS athletes? It's hard to argue that Shawn Bradley would have had a better career had he not gone on a mission. If anything, he would have had more college experience, perhaps giving a more reasonable expectation of his career trajectory, and he may have not been the 2nd pick. How does the Jimmer fit in to the equation? I'm not a huge football fan, so I'm not sure about a lot of those guys as I'd imagine there are more LDS guys that have been in the NFL than NBA or MLB.
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There's a lot more NFL guys who've gone on missions. Overall, there doesn't seem to be too much of a detriment in going on a mission vs. not when it comes to football. . . of course, this is tempered by the fact that football players usually play 4-5 years before they're ready for the pro game. Three years before they're eligible to enter the draft. That's as a true junior, or as a redshirt sophomore. They're given more time to recover from the inactivity than baseball and basketball players IMO.
 
b_line said:
If Parker and Exum are both there at 5, then I think you still pick Parker, and try to offer Burke and Kanter plus some other picks to LA to get Exum. There is probably no way LA passes on Exum though, as I bet their #1 is Wiggins, and 1a is Exum.
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If Parker and Exum are there at 4 and you're convinced in the star quality of both guys, you make that offer to Orlando instead. That's the only way you get both.

If Parker slips to 4, I don't take chances. I'm ready to pick him or trade for him. If Orlando picks him, I offer #23 to make the swap. Then they can pick between Exum, Smart or Vonleh (depending on who was picked in the top 3 instead of Jabari.)
 
Ellis269 said:
If Parker and Exum are there at 4 and you're convinced in the star quality of both guys, you make that offer to Orlando instead. That's the only way you get both.

If Parker slips to 4, I don't take chances. I'm ready to pick him or trade for him. If Orlando picks him, I offer #23 to make the swap. Then they can pick between Exum, Smart or Vonleh (depending on who was picked in the top 3 instead of Jabari.)
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Good point. Orlando might like to have Burke and some other assets for their pick. Never know though, it might be impossible to get any of the top picks in the draft in trades.
 
Ellis269 said:
If Parker and Exum are there at 4 and you're convinced in the star quality of both guys, you make that offer to Orlando instead. That's the only way you get both.

If Parker slips to 4, I don't take chances. I'm ready to pick him or trade for him. If Orlando picks him, I offer #23 to make the swap. Then they can pick between Exum, Smart or Vonleh (depending on who was picked in the top 3 instead of Jabari.)
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b_line said:
Good point. Orlando might like to have Burke and some other assets for their pick. Never know though, it might be impossible to get any of the top picks in the draft in trades.
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So play GM for a moment.

What would it take to get #4 without giving up #5?

What is the most you're willing to give up for #4 without giving up #5?

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Whoever picks Parker, I'm going to try to pry him away from them. I have concerns about his defense, but I think he could eventually have a KD type of impact for the Jazz.

Take the best player on my board at 5 and then try to put together a package to get Jabari. I'd prefer to keep the Core members of the team intact for now, add Parker (or Wiggins) to that group and then let the new coach mold the team in his image.

Parker, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Kanter, Burke, Gobert and Neto would be a pretty damn good group of young players to start out with. Add another rookie from the mid-to-late 1st round this year, Tomic (if you can buy him out), Marvin Williams at a discounted rate, Jeremy Evans, Diante Garrett and possibly a free agent or trade acquisition (from all those 2nd round picks. . .

I think they could be very improved in a short period of time. The best thing or the Jazz is for Vonleh and Exum to continue to impress and move up the boards. Exum is all projection and Vonleh is the 2nd best big in the draft. With Parker's known defensive liabilities, I can see a team favoring one of those guys and counting on their upside to justify them as a top 4 pick.
 
orangello said:
I agree. I just wonder if you can put together a package that might entice Boston or LA and you grab them both.

I know crazy talk, right?

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If Exum and Parker are there when the 5th pick comes up then Utah picks Parker and then Jazz should throw the kitchen sink at Boston to get the 6th pick and get Exum.

Maybe our next year 1st along with Kanter and a 2nd rounder? Maybe Neto/Tomic rights?
 
infection said:
What are our comparisons between RM and non-RM LDS athletes? It's hard to argue that Shawn Bradley would have had a better career had he not gone on a mission. If anything, he would have had more college experience, perhaps giving a more reasonable expectation of his career trajectory, and he may have not been the 2nd pick. How does the Jimmer fit in to the equation? I'm not a huge football fan, so I'm not sure about a lot of those guys as I'd imagine there are more LDS guys that have been in the NFL than NBA or MLB.
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As far as comparisons, i dont have any.

however using your common sense, what do you think would be better for your football/basketbal career?

A. Walking around in some craphole country eating a horrible diet and getting tapeworm.

B. Playing basketball or football everyday, lifting weights, recieving coaching, eating a proper diet.

You be the judge.
 
orangello said:
So play GM for a moment.

What would it take to get #4 without giving up #5?

What is the most you're willing to give up for #4 without giving up #5?

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That's a damn good question. I'd start with draft picks - 23, 35, 2015 first round pick and I'd consider giving up one (or both) of the 2017 picks as well. But that's for a top 5 pick.

I'm not as high on Exum as many, so I'd probably just focus on adding Parker.

If Orlando takes Jabari, I work hard to convince them to make a swap and give up 23 and a bunch if 2nd round picks to hopefully pull it off. Then just like last year, I'd give 35 and cash to buy a pick as high as possible.

If they pass on Parker, I make that pick in a heartbeat and then try to package 23, 35 and my 2015 first round pick (top 5 protected) to move up into the top 8 for whichever of Vonleh, Gordon, Smart or Randle that I can get my hands on.
 
Here's another thought, say Exum is gone before the 4th pick, do you push for a trade with Orlando so that you can get Parker and Smart?

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Eaassssyy, people. As it stands, it's most likely that Exum and Jabari will both be taken before the 5th pick. Can't believe we're talking about drafting both.
 
dalamon said:
Eaassssyy, people. As it stands, it's most likely that Exum and Jabari will both be taken before the 5th pick. Can't believe we're talking about drafting both.
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Is there a problem with that? It's not like any of us think it'll happen. We're bored...
 
dalamon said:
Eaassssyy, people. As it stands, it's most likely that Exum and Jabari will both be taken before the 5th pick. Can't believe we're talking about drafting both.
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Exactly. The 2003 draft was pretty much set through the first 4 picks. LeBron to Cleveland, Darko to Detroit, Carmello to Denver and then Bosh to Toronto. First big surprise of that draft was Wade moving up to #5 - most had him to Chicago at #7.

This draft will likely be the same deal. The top four should be some order of Embiid, Parker, Wiggins and Exum. The only real wild-card looks to be Noah Vonleh. If he somehow impresses enough to work his way into the top 4 picks, then one of Parker or Exum should be available. I doubt that Parker falls past 3, but I wouldn't say that it's outside the realm of possibilities for whoever takes Parker to be willing to work out a deal with Utah for Exum/Vonleh, 23 and maybe the 2015 1st round pick. Essentially the same deal that the Jazz paid out to grab Deron Williams. Right now, the Utah Jazz need it to be a consensus top 5. That's the only way that somebody might be willing to deal.

It might be worth waiting out all of the smokescreens to see who (if anyone) actually picks Jabari in the top 5 - if he's your target. Just make sure that you know in advance what you're willing to pay to get him at #2, vs. #3, vs. #4. If I'm DL, I have a different value for each pick. I want to get him, but I don't want to gut the team to get him, unless it's necessary.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
LOL... I'm gonna fall out of my chair if Philly picks Vonleh at #3 and ORL picks Smart at #5...

Leaving us with the Jabari vs Exum conundrum.
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That's like easiest decision ever. Jazz would not need to waste 1 second on the clock.
 
AKMVP said:
That's like easiest decision ever. Jazz would not need to waste 1 second on the clock.
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Yep. If the Jazz can get Parker outright, it's a no-brainer. Run the card up to the podium. The question becomes, "What is he worth?" If you have to trade to acquire him.
 
AKMVP said:
That's like easiest decision ever. Jazz would not need to waste 1 second on the clock.
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But.... what that article said is Exum seems to have a higher ceiling or potential than Jabari... Mormonism aside, do we go for a line drive with Jabari, or do we go with a home run with Exum?????
 
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