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Does Kanter show Jazz made mistake in these playoffs ......

tleikheen said:
On a Jazz team that lacked offense,Kanter finished 4th in FG % in the NBA and generally wrecked havoc on the offensive boards during his 21 minutes of play.If you compare him to Favors stats this year ,he probably was more productive in less minutes .
There was talk of Kanter ,Favors,and Gobert having enough minutes to play 32 minutes a piece.

Well I know lots of fanz are hoping he does lousy ,but if he kicks a$$ then Jazz management looks like they blew it with him and gave him to OKC for nothing.
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Jazz management did give him to OKC for nothing regardless of how he plays. The face is he is a talented player no matter how you look at it and to retrieve zero assets for him is insanity. He's a great contributor and the Jazz are lacking a bench. Maybe we could have put forth effort to make him happy while still bringing him in off the bench. We didn't try and we let him walk for nothing. We cannot continue to be a farm team for the other 29 teams in the NBA.
 
But I would say that the reason they beat the spurs probably had more to do with durant and westbrook than kanter
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Really ,,,,Why did all the sports news include that OKC out rebounded the Spurs also and held them under 20 pts in the 4th quarter in consecutive games ,I know Westbrook and Durant justifiably scored big points and got big credit BUT maybe you missed the part of Adams/Kanter owning the paint ......wish I could be seeing Gobert/Favors doing that BUT their watching TNT like you should be so you know some defense and rebounding contributed to wins too
 
Lets say it....... Gobert and Favors aren't making reputation in the playoffs right now ,seems the Jazz 3rd pick (Kanter) given away for free to a rival is doing what Gobert and Favors wish they were doing ....getting it done in PRIMETIME
 
aether34 said:
Kanter is sht, he doesnt play winning basketball, advanced stats says he cant win,they wont past spurs with kanter playing major minutes, we are better without Kanter, after Kanter trade best defence in the league.

Yet Kanter playing in the Cfs, and Utah still in the lottery
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What do you consider major minutes?
Kanter played 21 minutes per game so far in the playoffs.

That's the same amount of minutes as joe ingles played per game last season.
 
tleikheen said:
Lets say it....... Gobert and Favors aren't making reputation in the playoffs right now
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If they had durant and westbrook on their team then Gobert and favors would have been in the playoffs too.

If okc didn't have durant and westbrook then kanter would not have been in the playoffs.
 
fishonjazz said:
If they had durant and westbrook on their team then Gobert and favors would have been in the playoffs too.

If okc didn't have durant and westbrook then kanter would not have been in the playoffs.
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Kanter in my opinion was never given the chance to become a go-to-guy. His ability to put up stats in points and rebounds column is solely depending on the cleaning up moves. If he was in a team with a real point guard that went to him usually, like maybe if he was in the Blazers trying to pick up a role that resembles the LMA's role, he would look like a max player and a game changer of some sorts with the hustle he always puts on.

Now if we imagine KD and Russ leaving OKC, then it would make them a lottery team. But if they reject tanking and add some good pieces, it would be a different story. I think the rest of the Thunder squad had little chance to show what they can do up until now because KD and Russ usually have a really high amount of usage. There are a lot of gems in that team that would be game changers in the league's eye if the usage was divided more equally.

But the paradox lays right there. If you are OKC and you don't have either one of those two superstars current on your starting five, then you are going to miss a lot of shots, turn the ball over a lot and lead your team to losses.

This is the perfect scenario for them right now and if they cannot overcome the toughness of the rest of the post season, then there is no chance for them for this HISTORICALLY CHAOTIC OKC team to win it all.
 
Above all, if OKC can add talent when the two leave, especially a great passer in point position either small forward or point guard, then they can actually build up a system with their experienced coach and play team basketball more than whatever they are playing right now which can be described as chaotic hustle game that they outplay their opponents by being insanely aggressive and athletic.

I personally believe that Russ will stay in OKC after Durant leaves and be the man. But he also might not. He has a side biz of fashion I believe and maybe he hits the LA stage for this matter also being from UCLA.
 
fishonjazz said:
What do you consider major minutes?
Kanter played 21 minutes per game so far in the playoffs.

That's the same amount of minutes as joe ingles played per game last season.
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Have you watched the playoffs? Yes, Kanter has averaged that, but there are games where he has played more. Nobody int he media is denying his impact.

Let's look at the games where he played more than 21 minutes:

4/16 Dallas game 1. 24 mins. 7/10 shooting. 13 REBS, 16 PTS - OKC Wins.

4/21 Dallas game 3. 22 mins. 6/7 shooting. 8 REBS, 1 BLK, 1 STL, 21 PTS -- OKC Wins.

4/23 Dallas game 4. 26 mins. 12/13 shooting. 6 REBS, 28 PTS -- OKC Wins.

5/8 Spurs game 4. 28 mins. 3/6 shooting. 8 REBS, 11 PTS -- OKC Wins. Kanter is key defensively.

5/10 Spurs game 5. 30 mins. 3/7 shooting. 13 REBS, 3 BLKS, 8 PTS, -- OKC WINS. Again, Kanter's defense is pivotal in this game.

YES, his DEFENSE.

In the Spurs series, Lamarcus Aldridge is held to 44% shooting after shooting and incredible 78% and 71% in the first two games where Kanter played only 19 mins a contest. In games 4 and 5 where Kanter played 28 and 30 mins respectively, Aldridge was held to 44% and 28% respectively.Aldridge shot 51% on the year.

Well you say Kanter wasn't the only person gaurding Aldridge. Ok, let's look at Duncan then:

Duncan averaged 48% on the year but only 36% in the series. He went scoreless in game 4 where Kanter played 28 minutes, and went 1/6 for 16% in game 5 when Enes played 30 mins.

Well, there was David West you say. Here are his stats:

David West shot 54% on the year, but just 39% in the series. West shot 40% in game 4 and only 25% in game 5, the gtwo games where Kanter received most of his minutes.

OKC has won every game that Kanter has played 21 minutes or more in in these playoffs.


Below are Kanter's playoff stats per 36:

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2015-16 23 OKC NBA C 11 0 238 7.1 12.3 .580 0.3 1.7 .182 6.8 10.6 .643 4.8 5.7 .842 5.3 6.8 12.1 0.5 0.6 1.1 1.5 3.9 19.4
 
so.....should we trade Favors for Cousins and Hayward for Harden?

I mean just so we have something else to talk about besides haterbating to Kanter stats.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Have you watched the playoffs? Yes, Kanter has averaged that, but there are games where he has played more. Nobody int he media is denying his impact.

Let's look at the games where he played more than 21 minutes:

4/16 Dallas game 1. 24 mins. 7/10 shooting. 13 REBS, 16 PTS - OKC Wins.

4/21 Dallas game 3. 22 mins. 6/7 shooting. 8 REBS, 1 BLK, 1 STL, 21 PTS -- OKC Wins.

4/23 Dallas game 4. 26 mins. 12/13 shooting. 6 REBS, 28 PTS -- OKC Wins.

5/8 Spurs game 4. 28 mins. 3/6 shooting. 8 REBS, 11 PTS -- OKC Wins. Kanter is key defensively.

5/10 Spurs game 5. 30 mins. 3/7 shooting. 13 REBS, 3 BLKS, 8 PTS, -- OKC WINS. Again, Kanter's defense is pivotal in this game.

YES, his DEFENSE.

In the Spurs series, Lamarcus Aldridge is held to 44% shooting after shooting and incredible 78% and 71% in the first two games where Kanter played only 19 mins a contest. In games 4 and 5 where Kanter played 28 and 30 mins respectively, Aldridge was held to 44% and 28% respectively.Aldridge shot 51% on the year.

Well you say Kanter wasn't the only person gaurding Aldridge. Ok, let's look at Duncan then:

Duncan averaged 48% on the year but only 36% in the series. He went scoreless in game 4 where Kanter played 28 minutes, and went 1/6 for 16% in game 5 when Enes played 30 mins.

Well, there was David West you say. Here are his stats:

David West shot 54% on the year, but just 39% in the series. West shot 40% in game 4 and only 25% in game 5, the gtwo games where Kanter received most of his minutes.

OKC has won every game that Kanter has played 21 minutes or more in in these playoffs.


Below are Kanter's playoff stats per 36:

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2015-16 23 OKC NBA C 11 0 238 7.1 12.3 .580 0.3 1.7 .182 6.8 10.6 .643 4.8 5.7 .842 5.3 6.8 12.1 0.5 0.6 1.1 1.5 3.9 19.4
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I said he is averaging 21 minutes per game in the playoffs. After reading some of your post I found out that he is still averaging 21 minutes per game in the playoffs.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Maybe we could have put forth effort to make him happy while still bringing him in off the bench. We didn't try and we let him walk for nothing.
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Except you forget we did try. He was the starter and playing more minutes than in OKC, despite his defensive flaws. The guy did not commit on defense, didn't want to be held accountable and wanted a bigger role. He just didn't want to be here anymore. He is not a bad player but not a difference maker either (definitely not a Max player).

Let's not forget he is playing alongside with KD and RS, two of the top 10 players in the league. It's very likely OKC would be in the conference finals without Kanter.

BTW, this thread is garbage
 
latin jazz said:
Except you forget we did try. He was the starter and playing more minutes than in OKC, despite his defensive flaws. The guy did not commit on defense, didn't want to be held accountable and wanted a bigger role. He just didn't want to be here anymore. He is not a bad player but not a difference maker either (definitely not a Max player).

Let's not forget he is playing alongside with KD and RS, two of the top 10 players in the league. It's very likely OKC would be in the conference finals without Kanter.

BTW, this thread is garbage
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Solid post
 
latin jazz said:
Except you forget we did try. He was the starter and playing more minutes than in OKC, despite his defensive flaws. The guy did not commit on defense, didn't want to be held accountable and wanted a bigger role. He just didn't want to be here anymore. He is not a bad player but not a difference maker either (definitely not a Max player).

Let's not forget he is playing alongside with KD and RS, two of the top 10 players in the league. It's very likely OKC would be in the conference finals without Kanter.

BTW, this thread is garbage
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They wouldnt have passed the Spurs without the Kanter/Adams line up.
 
To the original question, does Kanter show Jazz made mistake in these playoffs? No.

As others have posted, we tried to cater to him and he was playing starters minutes. He chose not to play on both ends and has openly admitted to sandbagging games cause he didn't want to be here. That is a cancer to a team, even if you are one of the best.

Jazz made the only move they could've made. Therefore, still no.
 
Lost_Jazz_Fan said:
To the original question, does Kanter show Jazz made mistake in these playoffs? No.

As others have posted, we tried to cater to him and he was playing starters minutes. He chose not to play on both ends and has openly admitted to sandbagging games cause he didn't want to be here. That is a cancer to a team, even if you are one of the best.

Jazz made the only move they could've made. Therefore, still no.
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The Jazz made a huge mistake, that is undeniable. We should have maximized his value much better.
 
King Cy said:
The Jazz made a huge mistake, that is undeniable. We should have maximized his value much better.
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So it's a mistake to trade a disgruntled player who only gives effort every now and then and doesn't play on both ends of the floor? He was a pillar piece that we were building the team around (core), and he didn't like it. I agree we likely could've gotten a better deal but keeping him in Utah was never an option. Under the circumstances there is no way any unbaised person can call what the Jazz did a mistake.
 
Lost_Jazz_Fan said:
So it's a mistake to trade a disgruntled player who only gives effort every now and then and doesn't play on both ends of the floor? He was a pillar piece that we were building the team around (core), and he didn't like it. I agree we likely could've gotten a better deal but keeping him in Utah was never an option. Under the circumstances there is no way any unbaised person can call what the Jazz did a mistake.
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Yeah, you can. The whole situation was handled poorly.

I bet you 100% if the Jazz could go back, they would have handled the entire situation differently.

I was the person who disliked Kanter from Day 1. It's not like I like him or anything.
 
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