Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I guess the most charitable view of Podz upside is that he's a cross between Josh Hart (very similiar measurements and athleticism, both elite tier guard rebounders and good defenders) and Tyrese Haliburton (shooting and feel for game).

 

[KqWIN]

Podz is real similar to Divencenzo to me, and I freaking love Divencenzo. I don't see the crazy upside though.

For as much as we **** on Keyonte for being inefficient, he had more or less the same scoring efficiency as Podz. Podz does a lot of things besides shooting/scoring....but he was still FAR below league average efficiency on a low volume/highly assisted shot diet.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think Podz is an all-star... I just wouldn't completely dismiss it. He's smart... clearly sees the game well and is intuitive. Leads the league in charges taken and rebounds so well for a smaller nba player. He doesn't like mirror one guy perfectly but if he made it there are shades of Brunson/Haliburton etc. I'd say that like a top 1% outcome of course. Maybe he peaks out as like a Derrick White glue guy all star type.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think Podz is an all-star... I just wouldn't completely dismiss it. He's smart... clearly sees the game well and is intuitive. Leads the league in charges taken and rebounds so well for a smaller nba player. He doesn't like mirror one guy perfectly but if he made it there are shades of Brunson/Haliburton etc. I'd say that like a top 1% outcome of course. Maybe he peaks out as like a Derrick White glue guy all star type.

The biggest swing is just learning to get to the FT line and getting the usage.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The biggest swing is just learning to get to the FT line and getting the usage.

Maybe so... I just think AS is such a high bar now. That's probably more of where my quibble is.

 

[Tony Jones]

Look, I remember having a discussion with @Tony Jones about Cody’s value in the draft as a top four prospect. Because there aren’t many wings with his size handles and shooting. So far I’m not seeing the handles with him, but I think he could be really good and big time cog on this team. Then with that same perspective. Filip is probably the most talented big in this draft as far as the combo of length handles playmaking and shooting. So why shouldn’t I be more giddy about the fact he’s got the note on his jersey?

You haven't seen the handles? That's interesting. Cody has been creating off the dribble in Vegas, pretty much at will. And more impressively, he's been doing it at like 170 pounds, which means it's 100 percent skill

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

You haven't seen the handles? That's interesting. Cody has been creating off the dribble in Vegas, pretty much at will. And more impressively, he's been doing it at like 170 pounds, which means it's 100 percent skill

He’s also lost or fumbled the ball on multiple occasions on straight line drives, he’s taken advantage of opportunities and seems like an elite slasher and finisher in summer league. Let’s see how he holds up in the actual league. I’ve also noticed he has to give up his dribble when engaged with his defender. I have seen little change of direction. I see little to no ISO game in him.

Im not trying to dump on him or be a hater. I think he’s going to take advantage holes in the defense, space the floor and finish at the rim. Good things happen when he does drive successfully when he’s able to control his dribble. And play good defense.

It almost looks like he’s too long and skinny for his own good. I just don’t see an iso game. He can’t be the guy you get the ball to, to save your team against the shot clock.

There’s a lot of good about him. I’ve watched every second of both summer leagues. There’s things to like about both Cody and Collier but there’s some flaws, obviously Filip has flaws too but they seem less glaring. Players like Filip are the hardest to come by. All the teams that have some form of him are all the top offenses in the league. In a couple years he, Lauri and Hendricks could be a lethal front court, adding Kessler gives us another look on both sides of the court.

Either way it’s super exciting, we need to just resign Lauri and build off that. The talent is still coming in.

 

[Coach Ellis]

But for reals, I think Filipowski is such a luxury. It means you can go out and get guys like Kuminga and play them effectively. I like the idea of having him and Kessler so you can play different styles/lineups and they can play together.

Kessler is a guy that can help you get regular season wins, but a guy like Filipowski might end up being more valuable in the playoffs. I think you need both guys when building out a roster.

 

[Tony Jones]

Thanks for the good work.

That reporting *feels* accurate to me, in that it only mentions Moody being on the table. Pairing that with the @Tony Jones read/intel (and my own thinking) that the Jazz are not very interested in Kuminga, I think Podz is the most decisive piece.

And I am assuming the draft capital is along the lines of 25/27/29 super swaps, 26/28/30 picks (maybe some light protections*), and maybe a 2031 swap*.

*maybe GSW is trying to protect ‘30 ~1-3 and pushing to ‘31 if not conveyed).

He’s also lost or fumbled the ball on multiple occasions on straight line drives, he’s taken advantage of opportunities and seems like an elite slasher and finisher in summer league. Let’s see how he holds up in the actual league. I’ve also noticed he has to give up his dribble when engaged with his defender. I have seen little change of direction. I see little to no ISO game in him.

Im not trying to dump on him or be a hater. I think he’s going to take advantage holes in the defense, space the floor and finish at the rim. Good things happen when he does drive successfully when he’s able to control his dribble. And play good defense.

It almost looks like he’s too long and skinny for his own good. I just don’t see an iso game. He can’t be the guy you get the ball to, to save your team against the shot clock.

There’s a lot of good about him. I’ve watched every second of both summer leagues. There’s things to like about both Cody and Collier but there’s some flaws, obviously Filip has flaws too but they seem less glaring. Players like Filip are the hardest to come by. All the teams that have some form of him are all the top offenses in the league. In a couple years he, Lauri and Hendricks could be a lethal front court, adding Kessler gives us another look on both sides of the court.

Either way it’s super exciting, we need to just resign Lauri and build off that. The talent is still coming in.

He's created against the clock a number of times in Vegas. I think you're thinking more of the SLC games, which he wasn't great in. I think he's legit been one of the best players in the league in Vegas. His ballhandling and self creation has been a big strength in Vegas.

 

[Tony Jones]

From a Warriors perspective: If they trade Kuminga for Lauri, they 1) don't have to pay him 150 million, and 2) get to replace him with Lauri, a better player and 3) get to pay one of their starting guards 3 million dollars for the next three years

If they trade Podz for Lauri, they 1) lose one of their starting guards and now have to play Buddy Hield big minutes, and 2) have to pay Kuminga 150 million to either be a fringe starter or come off the bench, and 3) have to deal with Kuminga now having to mentally realize Lauri is going to be the second option

I can understand why they don't want to trade Podz.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He's created against the clock a number of times in Vegas. I think you're thinking more of the SLC games, which he wasn't great in. I think he's legit been one of the best players in the league in Vegas. His ballhandling and self creation has been a big strength in Vegas.

Even in SLC he got someone on a quick crossover that made me rewind... He's got some juice off the bounce.

 

[KqWIN]

I get why people like Podz, but Podz in the deal never made sense. He 100% has more value to the Warriors than the Jazz.

 

[Tony Jones]

I get why people like Podz, but Podz in the deal never made sense. He 100% has more value to the Warriors than the Jazz.

You are very right, but the Jazz definitely want Podz. They get a 3 million dollar for sure starting level guard for three years.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I get why people like Podz, but Podz in the deal never made sense. He 100% has more value to the Warriors than the Jazz.

Why would that make him being in a deal not make sense? Do teams only trade things they dont value?

 

[jumpin bean]

I get why people like Podz, but Podz in the deal never made sense. He 100% has more value to the Warriors than the Jazz.

Podz is getting a future star, not a role player. I think the jazz could use some stars.

 

[MT Steve]

I get why people like Podz, but Podz in the deal never made sense. He 100% has more value to the Warriors than the Jazz.

Hence the value of the picks and swaps the Jazz would be getting from the Warriors is higher if the Warriors don't have Podz.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Hence the value of the picks and swaps the Jazz would be getting from the Warriors is higher if the Warriors don't have Podz.

Correct. When you own another teams picks, the degree that they incur a negative is the same positive value to the team that acquired the picks.

I’m sure there’s a better way to say that.

 

[KqWIN]

Why would that make him being in a deal not make sense? Do teams only trade things they dont value?

Because if he's in the deal, the Warriors feel like their giving up $2 and the Jazz feel like they're only getting $1.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Because if he's in the deal, the Warriors feel like their giving up $2 and the Jazz feel like they're only getting $1.

The Jazz inherit their the amount that they downgrade. So, the Jazz are getting $3.

(I would add that I think Podz is legit and on a tanking team pops, such that his $2 to the Warriors becomes >$2 to the Jazz.)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Because if he's in the deal, the Warriors feel like their giving up $2 and the Jazz feel like they're only getting $1.

The Jazz still want that dollar.