Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Handlogten's Heros]

We got ripped off trading Gobert then. I don’t care to dig up these discussions again, we’ve talked over it a million times. If you expect a Luka like trade package, so be it.

What I’m wondering is how we’re feeling about standing where we are because a couple months ago the idea of doing what we’re doing is as blasphemy. Do we hate the idea of moving forward with Lauri, or do we need an unfathomable trade package to move us from that position? Now that it looks like we’re moving forward with Lauri, do we still hate this idea?

The super swaps are fairly important. In my limited contact with folks in the know it seems the league may not be ready for super swaps. If they are regular swaps with like our own pick... bleh. Garbage is a strong word to throw out. I would be curious to know the real details of the trade proposal but we will never get as detailed info as we would need/want.

I will say... most hardcore tankers are like "just do it for whatever you can get" types. Not many threading the needle of being a staunch tanker who also thinks we need 150% of value for Lauri.

 

[Elizah Huge]

You gather intel from suitors. You also have the ability like with Okoro to say $16m first year contract value and put an offer out there. If it is matched you can give Lauri the full 24M this year. If you win the bid then you can give him whatever is left and make up the rest on the backend. Its all optionality. Its the same reason I assume they are not signing the rest of the deals we have agreed to until after Lauri happens.

You can't close it until 8/6 anyway... so why show any part of your hand?

Yeah this sounds good in theory but we are seriously listening.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Hey Lauri, I know we have this extension in place but we’re going to put you through a media circus for a month plus just to gather intel from potential suitors lol. Sounds super unrealistic.

 

[idiot]

How so?

I think the "not this week" was quoted in a weird way when he just meant it's not getting signed Tuesday.

Probably a case like the Boston Globe had this week (though to far more serious consequences for the Globe) of the headline not actually matching what the article says, since the headline writer is not the article's author.

 

[NUMBERICA]

For a player of Lauri's caliber? Yes, complete garbage. At the very least there needs to be a player with some sort of potential to be an all-star when one is trading a guy who already is an all-star.

I have no clue when draft picks became so overrated in the NBA.

When Ainge built a perennial contender by getting unprotected picks from a desperate franchise.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah this sounds good in theory but we are seriously listening.

I don't doubt that we have listened and continue to listen. I think they have ironed out the relevant details with Lauri and told him he could still be moved but very unlikely that a team gives up everything necessary. I don't think we are canvassing the league the next two days looking for a little extra to close a deal though. I think they are operating from the assumption that Lauri re-signs and potentially working on some other things.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I don't doubt that we have listened and continue to listen. I think they have ironed out the relevant details with Lauri and told him he could still be moved but very unlikely that a team gives up everything necessary. I don't think we are canvassing the league the next two days looking for a little extra to close a deal though. I think they are operating from the assumption that Lauri re-signs and potentially working on some other things.

That would not be the best practice. Hey Lauri you could get moved but also here’s this extension just in case.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hey Lauri, I know we have this extension in place but we’re going to put you through a media circus for a month plus just to gather intel from potential suitors lol. Sounds super unrealistic.

lol that was only one of the reasons you could do it and not something you would share with Lauri anyway. Like in our conversations with SA did we uncover that they are interested but would prefer if Lauri was already extended and would offer more if that was the case. They are in no hurry so revisiting in a year it would be good to know what they would put up.

The key thing would be why show any cards before you have to... if there were any other items you are working on? So you negotiate what the deal would be.... and let him know a trade is still possible because lots of teams are calling but that their preference is to keep him. Then you send Keyonte with a group of trainers to workout with him for a week and send pr staff to document said workouts.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We got ripped off trading Gobert then. I don’t care to dig up these discussions again, we’ve talked over it a million times. If you expect a Luka like trade package, so be it.

What I’m wondering is how we’re feeling about standing where we are because a couple months ago the idea of doing what we’re doing is as blasphemy. Do we hate the idea of moving forward with Lauri, or do we need an unfathomable trade package to move us from that position? Now that it looks like we’re moving forward with Lauri, do we still hate this idea?

Still feel like the nexus between picks-based, player-based, and not an outrageous ask is:

-Podz
-26/28/30 picks
-27/29 super swaps
-Moody or another swap

I wanna let Podz slide but he has to be in the deal. We gotta get something that has any actual measurable value. Those picks really could be nothing, especially if they keep Podz (and he’s star-ish).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That would not be the best practice. Hey Lauri you could get moved but also here’s this extension just in case.

I mean what would best practice be then. Hand him the contract 2-3 weeks early and limit your flexibility before he can even sign the thing? Not negotiate at all and then get to 8/6 and realize he doesn't want to be here long term or his contract demands are a little more than you bargained?

These guys know the deal. They know they could get traded. Negotiate a deal that he would sign if presented to him at the appropriate date. Be as forthcoming or transparent as possible letting him know things could change. I mean if he signs the extension this week its an indicator that what I am saying happened. Or some version of it.

 

[sip]

That would not be the best practice. Hey Lauri you could get moved but also here’s this extension just in case.

They are most likely not talking to Lauri directly about this but rather his agent. You can guarantee that they have had discussions about what the team is thinking and what type of offer will be on the table starting tomorrow.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The super swaps are fairly important. In my limited contact with folks in the know it seems the league may not be ready for super swaps. If they are regular swaps with like our own pick... bleh. Garbage is a strong word to throw out.

Then I’ll say it: straight swaps are total ****ing garbage (at least/especially if we’re not getting Podz). They’re not getting getting something for nothing.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I mean what would best practice be then. Hand him the contract 2-3 weeks early and limit your flexibility before he can even sign the thing? Not negotiate at all and then get to 8/6 and realize he doesn't want to be here long term or his contract demands are a little more than you bargained?

These guys know the deal. They know they could get traded. Negotiate a deal that he would sign if presented to him at the appropriate date. Be as forthcoming or transparent as possible letting him know things could change. I mean if he signs the extension this week its an indicator that what I am saying happened. Or some version of it.

I just don’t think it was agreed to at all yet.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Then I’ll say it: straight swaps are total ****ing garbage (at least/especially if we’re not getting Podz). They’re not getting getting something for nothing.

Basically a throwaway in 2025 and maybe 2027.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They are most likely not talking to Lauri directly about this but rather his agent. You can guarantee that they have had discussions about what the team is thinking and what type of offer will be on the table starting tomorrow.

Both sides likely know what the other is willing to offer/accept. Did it go beyond that to "hey we are working on some things and if we do this can we structure it another way?" I am not sure. If Lauri isn't somewhat sure something gets done I am not sure why he'd be working out with a key Jazz player with Jazz coaches and Jazz PR staff present. If we haven't presented terms that would be accepted I am not sure why all the reporting is that Lauri has been in communication with the Jazz and in lock step with them all summer. Is it that hard to believe they have the deal ironed out and would keep that from their competitors? The reasoning could be anywhere from something important to, its just none of your damn business.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just don’t think it was agreed to at all yet.

Expand what you mean here. Do you mean they haven't talked numbers at all? How far down the road do you think they are, or do you think that negotiation starts tomorrow?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean what would best practice be then. Hand him the contract 2-3 weeks early and limit your flexibility before he can even sign the thing? Not negotiate at all and then get to 8/6 and realize he doesn't want to be here long term or his contract demands are a little more than you bargained?

These guys know the deal. They know they could get traded. Negotiate a deal that he would sign if presented to him at the appropriate date. Be as forthcoming or transparent as possible letting him know things could change. I mean if he signs the extension this week its an indicator that what I am saying happened. Or some version of it.

I mean, what is there to really negotiate on?

Im assuming they will give Lauri as much money as possible this year unless there is some grand master plan going on, which if that is the case, I would assume they would loop Lauri in on that as a "Hey, if you take X amount instead of Y, we can do this thing".

Outside of that, I would assume there will be some light negotiation on incentives and that kind of stuff.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I mean, what is there to really negotiate on?

Im assuming they will give Lauri as much money as possible this year unless there is some grand master plan going on, which if that is the case, I would assume they would loop Lauri in on that as a "Hey, if you take X amount instead of Y, we can do this thing".

Outside of that, I would assume there will be some light negotiation on incentives and that kind of stuff.

Money lol. While the difference between $200M and $220M seems kinda small its still real *** money. I assume it would be something like "hey we will give you 4/200M in new money... its basically the max you'd get per year if you waited until next year... that good." If Lauri says its good then you simply say "we are going to be looking at some things that might help us get a guy so the amount we can offer with space this year may change but overall dollars will stay the same... does that still work?"

I just assume whatever that dance looks like that it has happened already with the caveat that a team could still blow them away with an offer but not likely.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Expand what you mean here. Do you mean they haven't talked numbers at all? How far down the road do you think they are, or do you think that negotiation starts tomorrow?

I’m just saying I don’t see a scenario where they agreed to an extension and then Lauri was cool with getting his name floated in trade rumors for a month.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Money lol. While the difference between $200M and $220M seems kinda small its still real *** money. I assume it would be something like "hey we will give you 4/200M in new money... its basically the max you'd get per year if you waited until next year... that good." If Lauri says its good then you simply say "we are going to be looking at some things that might help us get a guy so the amount we can offer with space this year may change but overall dollars will stay the same... does that still work?"

I just assume whatever that dance looks like that it has happened already with the caveat that a team could still blow them away with an offer but not likely.

Yeah, the Jazz are going to give Lauri all the money and I doubt he would accept less unless there was a good plan for the money he doesnt take to be used to make the team better.

I dont see the Jazz hardballing this. Lauri is a max player who has been underpaid the last two seasons. The negotiation points will be incentives.