Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Handlogten's Heros]

OK, Kuminga not involved. That means no deal possible to some here because Kuminga+Moody+ever single pick is debatable.

If you prefer an extra pick +swaps to Kuminga…ok. I’m just saying that we’re not going to a package that’s 200% of the value Bridges was.

Not sure Kuminga turns it into 200% of Bridges value. If you are worried about what some here might want then I'm not sure what to tell you. Homers gonna homer.

If you think DA is going to settle for a B- package I don't think you've paid enough attention. I think the super swaps and additional pick are way more valuable on Kuminga on a one year deal. He's just so theoretical and I think his "uniqueness" is a bug not a feature. I think he would do worse away from the Warriors.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Payton + Moody + all their picks. They can sell to their fans that they at least keep Kuminga. Similar to Minnesota with McDaniels.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Moody and control of their draft until 2031. Kuminga stays in GS.

That’s pretty rich for the Jazz. They can keep Moody and give Wiggins. They can have Clarkson.

Maybe I’m too much of a pushover or something but I want that return and want it before the season starts. Them getting him as an expiring is part of the magic of the deal (as is the Jazz having a tank of a tank squad).

 

[rippimpc]

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[KqWIN]

Not sure Kuminga turns it into 200% of Bridges value. If you are worried about what some here might want then I'm not sure what to tell you. Homers gonna homer.

If you think DA is going to settle for a B- package I don't think you've paid enough attention. I think the super swaps and additional pick are way more valuable on Kuminga on a one year deal. He's just so theoretical and I think his "uniqueness" is a bug not a feature. I think he would do worse away from the Warriors.

Every pick possible + Kuminga + Moody is like 150-175% value. If that’s debatable, we need like 200% of the Bridges value.

I think 100% (whether that includes Kuminga or not) of the Bridges value would not be a B-. If the Bridges package was a godfather package for him, how is that a B- for Lauri.

It’s not about settling for a B- package, I just think people need to rethink their expectations. Like what are we talking about here with a B- package. If you sub Kuminga for picks instead, is that a B- package we should not settle for?

You don’t want Kuminga, I can understand that. But it’s a different conversation to say, “I’d rather have picks vs Kuminga” and “every pick and Kuminga and Moody is debatable and we should not settle”.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Every pick possible + Kuminga + Moody is like 150-175% value. If that’s debatable, we need like 200% of the Bridges value.

I think 100% (whether that includes Kuminga or not) of the Bridges value would not be a B-. If the Bridges package was a godfather package for him, how is that a B- for Lauri.

It’s not about settling for a B- package, I just people need to rethink their expectations.

You don’t want Kuminga, I can understand that. But it’s a different conversation to say, “I’d rather have picks vs Kuminga” and “every pick and Kuminga and Moody is debatable and we should not settle”.

If you are just wanting people to rethink their expectations I have told you what to expect. It will be Moody+all teh picks or we keep Lauri. Kuminga and a couple picks is a B-.

 

[KqWIN]

If you are just wanting people to rethink their expectations I have told you what to expect. It will be Moody+all teh picks or we keep Lauri. Kuminga and a couple picks is a B-.

Again, depends on what you think Kuminga. If you value Kuminga at Avidija value, that is already approaching the Bridges value.

You can only get max one more first round pick than the deal I mentioned. I suppose some of those swaps could come into play, but I’m not holding my breath for 25 and 26 swaps.

But again, this is a different conversation. This is how you value Kuminga vs Moody and the extra picks. Some here would argue that Moody+all the picks is B- or worse and I find that ridiculous.

 

[Elizah Huge]

What are we talking with Kuminga? Like two less unprotected firsts or two less swaps?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Again, depends on what you think Kuminga. If you value Kuminga at Avidija value, that is already approaching the Bridges value.

You can only get max one more first round pick than the deal I mentioned. I suppose some of those swaps could come into play, but I’m not holding my breath for 25 and 26 swaps.

But again, this is a different conversation. This is how you value Kuminga vs Moody and the extra picks. Some here would argue that Moody+all the picks is B- or worse and I find that ridiculous.

super swaps with the cavs/minny picks in any of the odd years are all very valuable. I just don't think Kuminga would get near Avdija value. He's a much more functional player and has a top 5 or 10 non-rookie deal. JK either blows up and gets PAID (which would be tough for GS to keep him with Lauri and Steph on payroll) or he's a mystery bag still and you've got to guess on a long term extension. I would take one extra pick over him... swaps and the pick for sure.

 

[KqWIN]

super swaps with the cavs/minny picks in any of the odd years are all very valuable. I just don't think Kuminga would get near Avdija value. He's a much more functional player and has a top 5 or 10 non-rookie deal. JK either blows up and gets PAID (which would be tough for GS to keep him with Lauri and Steph on payroll) or he's a mystery bag still and you've got to guess on a long term extension. I would take one extra pick over him... swaps and the pick for sure.

I think Kuminga's value is definitely higher than than Avdija....but I don't care to flesh that out. Choose your package, the main point is the same. The main point is I would accept a Bridges type haul....I'm not sure we should expect that kind of haul, but I would definitely take it. These trade packages that are significantly better than the Bridges package are not happening.

 

[KqWIN]

What are we talking with Kuminga? Like two less unprotected firsts or two less swaps?

In relation to my deal, you could get a max of one additional unprotected pick (either 26 or 27) and then the swaps as HH described.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Kuminga's value is definitely higher than than Avdija....but I don't care to flesh that out. Choose your package, the main point is the same. The main point is I would accept a Bridges type haul....I'm not sure we should expect that kind of haul, but I would definitely take it. These trade packages that are significantly better than the Bridges package are not happening.

Lol... you have to win a game tomorrow... pick Deni or JK. Deni is a better player and on a deal his agent should be fired for. He is a better fit on every NBA roster... but I get it he doesn't have loud fun plays. His value is not definitely higher. JK is in the Josh Giddy realm of value.

I don't know what is or isn't better than the Bridges package and I don't disagree... but homers gonna homer and fans want infinity picks because they actually just don't want to trade their favorite player.

 

[Elizah Huge]

In relation to my deal, you could get a max of one additional unprotected pick (either 26 or 27) and then the swaps as HH described.

So basically just taking two unprotected firsts off the table?

 

[KqWIN]

Lol... you have to win a game tomorrow... pick Deni or JK. Deni is a better player and on a deal his agent should be fired for. He is a better fit on every NBA roster... but I get it he doesn't have loud fun plays. His value is not definitely higher. JK is in the Josh Giddy realm of value.

I don't know what is or isn't better than the Bridges package and I don't disagree... but homers gonna homer and fans want infinity picks because they actually just don't want to trade their favorite player.

Like I said, don’t care to flesh this out because the point is the same either way….but personally I do not think about “if you had to win a game tomorrow” when talking about 21 year old developing players. For players like Kuminga, their value is in their potential. You wouldn’t talk about how a pick swap can help you win a game tomorrow.

 

[KqWIN]

So basically just taking two unprotected firsts off the table?

No just one unprotected first. They can only trade a max of 3 unprotected firsts and the other two were already in my deal. My thought process, start with the best assets and work from there. To me the best assets are 31 unprotected, 29 unprotected, and Kuminga.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Like I said, don’t care to flesh this out because the point is the same either way….but personally I do not think about “if you had to win a game tomorrow” when talking about 21 year old players. Players like Kuminga, their value is in their potential. You wouldn’t talk about how a pick swap, can help you win a game tomorrow.

Simply trying to point out that he is a clearly better player (like at damn near everything) and like 1.5 years older so not some massive age difference... and his contract situation is amazing.. and his game fits so many rosters better than JK... and he hasn't had the benefit of operating with Steph's spacing or Dray's passing... he's been playing with Kuz and Poole for hells sake.

So pointing to their trade value as equivalent is wild miscalculation imo... you can say potential but why does Kuminga have more potential when Avdija is the clearly the better player now.

 

[mhindy]

No just one unprotected first. They can only trade a max of 3 unprotected firsts and the other two were already in my deal. My thought process, start with the best assets and work from there. To me the best assets are 31 unprotected, 29 unprotected, and Kuminga.

I think the picks in even years plus swaps in odd creates much more total value, but obviously nitpicking.

 

[idiot]

Prediction time assuming a trade happens:

The return for Lauri will be ______________.

I'll go with "a touch disappointing,"

 

[Shad]

Please, if he's going to be traded, be to the Rockets and just fleece the hell out of them.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the picks in even years plus swaps in odd creates much more total value, but obviously nitpicking.

Its not nitpicking. Having a swap with two other teams that are both way better than us is WAY more valuable. You just want full control of any upside their draft offers. I would be disappointed if we didn't do it that way and get all the picks. I don't care about JK or Moody that much. I think you should get 1 of them though.