Does Lauri Get Traded?

[KqWIN]

OK. Do you think it will beat/equal/be short of the Mikal return (since that's the obvious comparison that will be made in any immediate aftermath)?

IMO, Lauri's value would be pegged at a little bit lower than Mikal. I personally believe Lauri is a better player than Mikal, but Mikal was very hyped up + has another year on his contract + extreme certainty he'll resign anyways.

Bridges was considered a godfather offer. People around here seem to think that Lauri should go for significantly more than that.

 

[KqWIN]

Without taking Wiggins they’d have to give us everything. Adding him in they don’t have enough to make it work.

Eh, I think that's extremely optimistic. If they gave us everything (and got WAS to play ball), they could exceed the Bridges package quite a bit. I know the Jazz have the option of R+E Lauri, but is that a better path than turning down an offer that exceeds Bridges by a decent amount?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Eh, I think that's extremely optimistic. If they gave us everything (and got WAS to play ball), they could exceed the Bridges package quite a bit. I know the Jazz have the option of R+E Lauri, but is that a better path than turning down an offer that exceeds Bridges by a decent amount?

Basically taking out an extra first and adding in two pick swaps. Doesn’t seem that outlandish. Seems pretty equal.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To each their own. I don’t think Deni is necessarily a better defender or a more promising shooter. Overall, numbers clearly point to Kuminga as a better player right now. Numbers dont mean everything, but I still don’t find a case for Avdija being “certainly better”.

Lol... this is flat out not true but whatevs.

And again, it’s not all about who will win you a game tomorrow. Being a star player typically means being a higher usage scorer. Kuminga is closer to that and of that mold. He’s proven himself in a smaller role and has shown plenty of potential to do more.

I truly do not care to discuss this anymore because this was never the point. It’s clear you don’t like Kuminga and obviously there’s no changing that. A better way to solve this would be to ask neutral parties. If you care enough to do that, go for it. I do not. If I’m wrong and everyone things Avdija is clearly a better asset than Kuminga, I’ll accept it.

Hey you do you... wouldn't be the first time you missed on player trade value.

 

[KqWIN]

Basically taking out an extra first and adding in two pick swaps. Doesn’t seem that outlandish. Seems pretty equal.

Picks alone, the compensation is fairly close. I don’t want to get into a big argument about the value of GSW vs NYK. NYK would be in second apron hell, but the GSW would also go past Curry and Green’s retirement.

You can almost get the same exact picks. Can’t get NYK or MIL 25, but those are the worst picks and you could get more swaps. NYK did not trade every swap possible and UTA has this super swap potential with CLE or MIN picks.

The only other part of the trade would be the matching salary. So we’re talking about Kuminga and Moody vs Boian. Pretty sizable difference there IMO.

 

[hgb]

I don't know if I'd bet on Kuminga becoming all he can be, but he does have some really serious upside.

 

[zyzz]

Kuminga is someone I like, but just not on the Jazz for some reason.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Picks alone, the compensation is fairly close. I don’t want to get into a big argument about the value of GSW vs NYK. NYK would be in second apron hell, but the GSW would also go past Curry and Green’s retirement.

You can almost get the same exact picks. Can’t get NYK or MIL 25, but those are the worst picks and you could get more swaps. NYK did not trade every swap possible and UTA has this super swap potential with CLE or MIN picks.

The only other part of the trade would be the matching salary. So we’re talking about Kuminga and Moody vs Boian. Pretty sizable difference there IMO.

I don’t think we get every pick + Kuminga + Moody. I think it’s every pick + Moody. We’d likely have to take less picks with Kuminga instead.

 

[KqWIN]

I don’t think we get every pick + Kuminga + Moody. I think it’s every pick + Moody. We’d likely have to take less picks with Kuminga instead.

In my head “everything” included Kuminga. With just Moody it could be close. Still feel like Moody >> Bojan, so you take a little less picks to make it even with the Bridges trade.

But hey, goal is not to match Bridges trade. I’m just assuming it’s gotta be ballpark ish with Lauri yielding a little less, but I could be wrong on that.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Kuminga is someone I like, but just not on the Jazz for some reason.

Like I know the NBA is positionless but what position does he play? Is he a big or a wing? He's interesting but not anyone I am interested taking in if there is a cost in the trade. Then you have to guess how much to pay this theoretical guy.

 

[mhindy]

I don’t think we get every pick + Kuminga + Moody. I think it’s every pick + Moody. We’d likely have to take less picks with Kuminga instead.

I would vastly prefer getting Moody and more picks. Kuminga seems so likely to either turn into dust or bait us into overpaying.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I would vastly prefer getting Moody and more picks. Kuminga seems so likely to either turn into dust or bait us into overpaying.

Which is probably why it feels like GSW is secretly trying to offload him to me.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Some speculation from Mike Sotto on the Jazz's pending decision to suck or stay mediocre:

Utah Jazz: Why Lauri Markkanen Could Soon Be Traded Amid Wild NBA Offseason

Lauri Markkanen is still with the Utah Jazz, with his future with the Salt Lake City-based NBA franchise still cloudy. He still has a live contract but it seems that the Jazz are dithering about which direction they will exactly take when it comes to the Finnish big man.

www.yardbarker.com

“To me, I think eventually they’re going to be at a crossroads because they could do a renegotiation and extension with Lauri Markkanen who wants to be in Utah, he said that publicly in interviews with me and other people, but it’s going to get to a needle-moving point soon. I think they’re going to have to figure out as a franchise where they’re at because they’ve kind of been toeing the line where they’re not terrible that you’re getting a top five pick, but you’re not really good enough to be a playoff team or a play-in team, so they’ve got to kind of figure out where they’re stepping on the line right now.”

 

[Jiipee84]

Not sure Kuminga turns it into 200% of Bridges value. If you are worried about what some here might want then I'm not sure what to tell you. Homers gonna homer.

If you think DA is going to settle for a B- package I don't think you've paid enough attention. I think the super swaps and additional pick are way more valuable on Kuminga on a one year deal. He's just so theoretical and I think his "uniqueness" is a bug not a feature. I think he would do worse away from the Warriors.

Warriors have already lost Paul and Klay
and as a team they are going down it's hard to see warriors being playoff team next year
Steph is old and so is Draymond in near future warriors are rebuild mode so no sense to trade Lauri into Warriors.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Warriors have already lost Paul and Klay
and as a team they are going down it's hard to see warriors being playoff team next year
Steph is old and so is Draymond in near future warriors are rebuild mode so no sense to trade Lauri into Warriors.

Huh? For us it makes all the sense in the world because the reasons you just stated.

 

[Jiipee84]

Huh? For us it makes all the sense in the world because the reasons you just stated.

Warriors is not winning more NBA championship titles.
Western confrence is getting really good and Warriors curve as a team is going down not up like Spurs, OKC, Rockets etc.

In 3-5 years Warriors will be rebuild team and Spurs contender and nothing won't change that.
Steph is not playing forever and neither is Draymond. Maybe Warriors make to playoffs but they're not winning more championship titles that's a fact so deal with it.

 

[HermanG]

Warriors is not winning more NBA championship titles.
Western confrence is getting very good and Warriors curve as a team is going down not up like Spurs, OKC etc.

In 3-5 years Warriors will be rebuild team and Spurs contender and nothing won't change that.
Steph is not playing forever and neither is Draymond.

Warriors may have about 2 OK years and they might make to playoffs but they're not winning more championship titles that's a fact so deal with it.

....which is why DA would want their draft picks.

 

[SteakNEggs]

Warriors is not winning more NBA championship titles.
Western confrence is getting very good and Warriors curve as a team is going down not up like Spurs, OKC etc.

In 3-5 years Warriors will be rebuild team and Spurs contender and nothing won't change that.
Steph is not playing forever and neither is Draymond.

Warriors may have about 2 OK years and they might make to playoffs but they're not winning more championship titles that's a fact so deal with it.

So that seems to me that you would want to either blow it up now, or make a team that competes while Steph and Dray are still viable.

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Warriors is not winning more NBA championship titles.
Western confrence is getting really good and Warriors curve as a team is going down not up like Spurs, OKC, Rockets etc.

In 3-5 years Warriors will be rebuild team and Spurs contender and nothing won't change that.
Steph is not playing forever and neither is Draymond. Maybe Warriors make to playoffs but they're not winning more championship titles that's a fact so deal with it.

... Yes? You are stating the exact reasons for it being a good idea for us to trade Lauri to the Warriors for their future picks. If they want to try to compete for another couple of years, it will cost them a rebuild.

 

[framer]

Eh, I think that's extremely optimistic. If they gave us everything (and got WAS to play ball), they could exceed the Bridges package quite a bit. I know the Jazz have the option of R+E Lauri, but is that a better path than turning down an offer that exceeds Bridges by a decent amount?

I think the problem that you have here is that you are overrating the Bridges haul. First round picks from the 2nd best team in the East are not the end-all be-all. The Knicks are going to win a lot of games in the East, and they are now deep enough to avoid sucking because one guy goes down.

The Jazz do not need to trade Lauri today, he is not forcing his way to the Warriors. He only gets more value if we sign him. Yes, it will not be a "slightly disappointing" haul.