Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Douchebag K]

This Golden State chatter has been going on for like three days. That's a long time in the trade-discussion business.

Ainge just yanking everyone's chain to see what is out and about in the market and who's worth what

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yeah folks think the super swaps are basically worthless. There are articles and calculations and such...

People that shouldn’t be heard or considered.

 

[idiot]

And he's joining in with helping others understand lol. I don't get how folks don't see how a swap with 3 other teams is much more valuable than with one team but shrug.

It's somewhat more valuable, but in certain situations (that the Jazz could be in) it doesn't move the needle all that much.

Say the Jazz have 6th pick, the 22nd pick (Cavs), 25th pick (Wolves) and then get to superswap with with Warriors (who with Curry and Markkanen are at 21). The superswap helps a small bit, but it's really kind of meh.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The problem is it was a couple of the beat writers and a guy from Salt City Hoops. Shrug.

Salt City Hoops is a clown show. I expect better from Andy Larsen.

 

[mhindy]

It doesn't always help the jazz that much, but it does make this kind of deal a lot more costly for whoever trades with us. Being locked into back end of the first round alternating with no pick at all for six or seven years is going to make it TOUGH to add talent.

 

[mhindy]

It doesn't always help the jazz that much, but it does make this kind of deal a lot more costly for whoever trades with us. Being locked into back end of the first round alternating with no pick at all for six or seven years is going to make it TOUGH to add talent.

Basically reduces a lot of the variance of the swap, that normally benefits the team trading them.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It's somewhat more valuable, but in certain situations (that the Jazz could be in) it doesn't move the needle all that much.

Say the Jazz have 6th pick, the 22nd pick (Cavs), 25th pick (Wolves) and then get to superswap with with Warriors (who with Curry and Markkennen are at 21). The superswap helps a small bit, but it's really kind of meh.

All of this is a dice roll. You do what you can to weigh the dice.

 

[Hearsky]

This Golden State chatter has been going on for like three days. That's a long time in the trade-discussion business.

We went down this road with the Knicks. Then, a rando team jumped the shark. Just watch the Hornets come out with Lauri.

 

[mhindy]

We went down this road with the Knicks. Then, a rando team jumped the shark. Just watch the Hornets come out with Lauri.

All your firsts and swaps feels like it gets anyone awfully close.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It doesn't always help the jazz that much, but it does make this kind of deal a lot more costly for whoever trades with us. Being locked into back end of the first round alternating with no pick at all for six or seven years is going to make it TOUGH to add talent.

That’s part of the magic, if there’s a serious downturn, they are in danger of perpetually sending better and better picks. Super swaps basically guarantee that they’re stuck in the back of the 1st round whether they’re decent or terrible.

But yeah, even with Super swaps, 2025 might only marginally improve one of the picks, if at all. That is one year of seven.

 

[NUMBERICA]

All of this is a dice roll. You do what you can to weigh the dice.

Furthermore, the Jazz have plenty of dice rolls. Weighing the ones they have is probably as good or better than more rolls.

 

[idiot]

All of this is a dice roll. You do what you can to weigh the dice.

Wish I had the skills to make a image/meme out of this typo.

But seriously, yeah the superswap makes more sense in some situations than others. I wouldn't say it makes all that much sense for the Jazz until after 2027 (though it is good for unforseen downfalls).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Salt City Hoops is a clown show. I expect better from Andy Larsen.

Hes doing some math now and doing better.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's somewhat more valuable, but in certain situations (that the Jazz could be in) it doesn't move the needle all that much.

Say the Jazz have 6th pick, the 22nd pick (Cavs), 25th pick (Wolves) and then get to superswap with with Warriors (who with Curry and Markkanen are at 21). The superswap helps a small bit, but it's really kind of meh.

And sometimes you end up swapping 27 for 1 and trade back for another valuable pick and end up with jayson tatum and win a title.

Warriors have drafted in the lottery 3 of the last 7 years. This is with prime Steph, Klay, Green, and KD for a few years. Yeah when it goes from 25 to 21 whatevs. Sometime in that 7 years you are getting a lottery pick or two.

 

[idiot]

And sometimes you end up swapping 27 for 1 and trade back for another valuable pick and end up with jayson tatum and win a title.

Warriors have drafted in the lottery 3 of the last 7 years. This is with prime Steph, Klay, Green, and KD for a few years. Yeah when it goes from 25 to 21 whatevs. Sometime in that 7 years you are getting a lottery pick or two.

So a swap would be sufficient here, yeah?

 

[NUMBERICA]

And sometimes you end up swapping 27 for 1 and trade back for another valuable pick and end up with jayson tatum and win a title.

Warriors have drafted in the lottery 3 of the last 7 years. This is with prime Steph, Klay, Green, and KD for a few years. Yeah when it goes from 25 to 21 whatevs. Sometime in that 7 years you are getting a lottery pick or two.

****en bingo

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So a swap would be sufficient here, yeah?

No but I'll take 3 picks and 4 super swaps knowing that some will have much more value than something in the 20s.

 

[NUMBERICA]

So a swap would be sufficient here, yeah?

Say the Jazz are already drafting top 10, they swap a top-10 pick for #1. In a super swap they keep their top-10 pick and get #1.

 

[mhindy]

****en bingo

The certainty of 25 to 21 or w/e also makes it a ton more valuable. It probably would have cost us 32 to move up four to five picks. And that's the floor.

 

[mhindy]

Makes me wonder - what are previous examples of super swaps being traded? I would be extremely hesitant to hand those out if I were trading with the jazz.