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Does Lauri Get Traded?

Does Lauri Get Dealt Before The Season Starts?


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I don't think Spurs will budge to give up all their Atlanta picks. If they make an offer, that -25 pick will at least have slight protections. They really would have a use for another top 5 pick to pair with Wemby and grow with the core.
can a team with another teams unprotected pick trade it and put protections on it? I didn’t think you could do that.
 
Nothing is being drawn out. He can't do the R&E deal until a certain date.
I realize that but there is an uncertainty there as to whether he's with the Jazz, Kings, Dubs or whatever. Also Ainge or Zanik are doing a lot of legwork to get these offers. You would think it's either fish or cut bait time.
 
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can a team with another teams unprotected pick trade it and put protections on it? I didn’t think you could do that.
You can, but you cannot roll over the pick if the protections activate. You just lose the pick. I wouldn't take the Atlanta pick with protections on it. There is no point to that.
 
I am coming around on the idea of trading Lauri.

My STRONG preference coming into this offseason was to make a competitive move - trade some of our draft stash for a franchise cornerstone and build around Lauri, Keyonte, and trade acquisition (+ the other young guys). But given the crickets through draft/FA, and looking around the league, I have no idea who that trade target would be.

It's very possible we strike out on a major move again, and if so, there's a lot to be said for getting yet another draft haul (or a rising star like Kuminga - very bullish), pegging ourselves squarely in the top 5 of the 2025 draft, and shifting course to build around our decent young core.

Womp womp.
 
Idk, from Lauri's POV I'd imagine this is all pretty flattering. You're either going to make a boatload of money playing for the jazz, including a huge raise this year, and been told that you're more valuable than 3 picks, 3 swaps, and a young guy, or you'll be traded to a team that believes you're pushing them into contention and is also more or less committing to paying you 200 million dollars.

Hard for me to really get why he'd hold a grudge - the consistent Jazz messaging has been that if you're willing to give us no choice, we'll make a trade.
 
It's often assumed that most reliable way to get a player who is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team is to draft one through a top-5 pick. This may be true, but just a reminder that the odds of this happening in any particular year are quite low.

Over the last 15 drafts (75 top-5 picks) I count 9 players who have shown this type of talent: Wemby, Anthony Edwards, Williamson, Morant, Doncic, Tatum, Jalen Brown, Embiid, Anthony Davis (if you don't agree that one or more of these is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team, then the odds are even lower). This works out to 12% chance of getting a #1 championship piece through any particular top-5 draft choice -- or about one in every 8 years of having a top five pick. In these past 15 years there was only one year where as many as two players qualify (Williamson and Morant, two of the shakiest on this list).

(For full disclosure, the jury is still out on some of these picks, but I don't think anyone not on the list really is a true championship #1 from among other top-5 picks. This list of comes-close-or-still-has-potential-but-probably-not-a-championship-#1 includes: Banchero, Holmgren, Mobley, Barnes, Cunningham, Cousins)
 
It's often assumed that most reliable way to get a player who is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team is to draft one through a top-5 pick. This may be true, but just a reminder that the odds of this happening in any particular year are quite low.

Over the last 15 drafts (75 top-5 picks) I count 9 players who have shown this type of talent: Wemby, Anthony Edwards, Williamson, Morant, Doncic, Tatum, Jalen Brown, Embiid, Anthony Davis (if you don't agree that one or more of these is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team, then the odds are even lower). This works out to 12% chance of getting a #1 championship piece through any particular top-5 draft choice -- or about one in every 8 years of having a top five pick. In these past 15 years there was only one year where as many as two players qualify (Williamson and Morant, two of the shakiest on this list).

Most of the list is shaky. Only three people from it have actually won a ring. One definitely wasn't a #1 option(even if you accept the title itself as a genuine one) and the other two were on the same team so obviously one of them was not the #1 option. That really leaves one player.
 
Most of the list is shaky. Only three people from it have actually won a ring. One definitely wasn't a #1 option(even if you accept the title itself as a genuine one) and the other two were on the same team so obviously one of them was not the #1 option. That really leaves one player.
Guess you're definitely prioritizing keeping Lauri over moving him to make sure we're bad enough to have a top-five pick then?
 
It's often assumed that most reliable way to get a player who is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team is to draft one through a top-5 pick. This may be true, but just a reminder that the odds of this happening in any particular year are quite low.

Over the last 15 drafts (75 top-5 picks) I count 9 players who have shown this type of talent: Wemby, Anthony Edwards, Williamson, Morant, Doncic, Tatum, Jalen Brown, Embiid, Anthony Davis (if you don't agree that one or more of these is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team, then the odds are even lower). This works out to 12% chance of getting a #1 championship piece through any particular top-5 draft choice -- or about one in every 8 years of having a top five pick. In these past 15 years there was only one year where as many as two players qualify (Williamson and Morant, two of the shakiest on this list).

(For full disclosure, the jury is still out on some of these picks, but I don't think anyone not on the list really is a true championship #1 from among other top-5 picks. This list of comes-close-or-still-has-potential-but-probably-not-a-championship-#1 includes: Banchero, Holmgren, Mobley, Barnes, Cunningham, Cousins)

There are certainly no guarantees but I think next years draft is pretty special. Also I think you are missing a few that could be a number 1 on a championship team if surrounded by the right guys.

Kyrie
Trae
KAT
Beal ( past his prime now but he was pretty special for a few years but unfortunately was surrounded by mediocre talent )
 
Trae
KAT
Beal ( past his prime now but he was pretty special for a few years but unfortunately was surrounded by mediocre talent )
I'm sorry, but this is borderline trolling now. You list guys who aren't even All-NBA types(you know, top 15 in the league in a given year) and who have struggled to lead teams to even just a playoff berth as #1 options as players you could build a title winner around?

I get you have a boner for the idea of trading Markkanen for any offer that comes in, but this is just stupid.
 
It's often assumed that most reliable way to get a player who is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team is to draft one through a top-5 pick. This may be true, but just a reminder that the odds of this happening in any particular year are quite low.

Over the last 15 drafts (75 top-5 picks) I count 9 players who have shown this type of talent: Wemby, Anthony Edwards, Williamson, Morant, Doncic, Tatum, Jalen Brown, Embiid, Anthony Davis (if you don't agree that one or more of these is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team, then the odds are even lower). This works out to 12% chance of getting a #1 championship piece through any particular top-5 draft choice -- or about one in every 8 years of having a top five pick. In these past 15 years there was only one year where as many as two players qualify (Williamson and Morant, two of the shakiest on this list).

(For full disclosure, the jury is still out on some of these picks, but I don't think anyone not on the list really is a true championship #1 from among other top-5 picks. This list of comes-close-or-still-has-potential-but-probably-not-a-championship-#1 includes: Banchero, Holmgren, Mobley, Barnes, Cunningham, Cousins)
Good list. Good post.
I would say that not all drafts have the expectation of having one of those guys in it. Like this past draft for instance.
Where as next draft the expectation is that there should be at least one and maybe more of those guys.

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There are certainly no guarantees but I think next years draft is pretty special. Also I think you are missing a few that could be a number 1 on a championship team if surrounded by the right guys.

Kyrie
Trae
KAT
Beal ( past his prime now but he was pretty special for a few years but unfortunately was surrounded by mediocre talent )

Nah. His list was a good one and those guys don't belong on it. Other than maybe Kyrie.
The others? No way in hell.

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It's often assumed that most reliable way to get a player who is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team is to draft one through a top-5 pick. This may be true...

Over the last 15 drafts (75 top-5 picks) I count 9 players who have shown this type of talent: Wemby, Anthony Edwards, Williamson, Morant, Doncic, Tatum, Jalen Brown, Embiid, Anthony Davis (if you don't agree that one or more of these is talented enough to be a number 1 on a championship team, then the odds are even lower). This works out to 12% chance of getting a #1 championship piece through any particular top-5 draft choice.
Of course it's true. Essentially, you are confirming that having a top-5 pick is by far the most certain way to drafting "a number 1 on a championship team". Because if the team decides to acquire such a player via free agency, trade, or drafting in the 6-30 range, the chances are going to be way, way lower than 12%.

In the last 15 years there were only 5 players "who have shown this type of talent" drafted in the rest of the first round (Curry, Leonard, Giannis, Jokic, SGA), 5/(25X15)=about 1% chance per pick. And only one, Jokic, was drafted in the second round - 0.2% chance. On average, you will have to draft for a century in the 6-30 range (1 pick per draft) to draft a championship player, and for 500 years - by using only a single second-round pick per year.

Most of these players remained with their own teams, with only SGA, Leonard, and Davis changing teams via trades. I will be generous and add to this the Paul-to-Clippers trade, which happened within the same timeframe. So, there were 4 chances to obtain that caliber of players in 15 years. Almost all of the teams would be ready to trade for such a player every year, so we will conservatively estimate the trade chances as 4/(25X15)=1%. Finally, here are the chances for a free agent signing ( LeBron in 2010, 2014 and 2018, Durant in 2016 and 2019, Kawhi in 2019) - 6 cases. Almost every team would gladly create space for such signing, so the conservative chances are 6/(25X15)=1.5%. And these are extremely generous estimates, assuming that a small-market team like the Jazz and the Lakers have the same chances of getting LeBron or Durant via trade or free agency.

So, trying to obtain "such a player" by securing a top 5 pick has the 12 times higher probability of success than through picking 6-30, 60 times higher chances than drafting in the second round, 12 times higher chances than getting him in a trade, and 9 times higher than signing him as a free agent.

In short, no other strategy comes even close to simply getting the top 5 pick.
 
In the last 15 years there were only 5 players "who have shown this type of talent" drafted in the rest of the first round (Curry, Leonard, Giannis, Jokic, SGA), 5/(25X15)=about 1% chance per pick.

Except for these players fill a lot of the "best player on a championship team" slots for a good portion of those 15 years. Take out just Lebron (who was drafted more than 15 years ago) and I'm not sure you are making the point you think you are. There are like 3 guys a season that fit this definition and Lebron is one of them every year. Obviously a top 5 pick would be grand, but the downside of just dumping good players for more lottery balls also has a chance of you not going to the playoffs for a dozen years.
 
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