Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That one is being held up by trying to find a Westbrook home. Understanding how much bad money they are offloading determines how much they pay versus maybe going in with another team. Could also expand with is taking more salary cuz of not needing a Lauri extension I suppose.

That cant really be it? If they havent found the Russ home yet, then it's not going to happen?

 

[sip]

Yeah, just a meager 5.2 BPM while playing 74 games.

And you are giving them Lauri Markkanen.....

We have seen vets want to go to GS to play with Curry. They are going to be very good and you got people such as yourself who are ok taking a soft-line just to deal Lauri.

I'm not saying Curry isn't still a great player but you are ignoring your eyes if you think he is as good of a player now as he was 2 years ago. If I can control 5 or 6 years worth of picks for a team whose best player is 36 years old then I'm feeling pretty damn good. Also who are these impactful vets that have been going to GS to play with Curry outside of KD? I can't really think of any.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That cant really be it? If they havent found the Russ home yet, then it's not going to happen?

Sure it can. It may not even be finding him a home through trade. Might be finding a team that is willing to sign him after he is bought out. There are offsets with this stuff.

It could also be that we are more willing to take on more salary in the deal if we aren't using our space.

Knowing how much bad salary we eat would determine how many picks are moved our way.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I always thought a lot of stuff gets done at Summer League when everyone is together and can talk. I was kind of expecting to hear about some stuff by now, but I guess not.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sure it can. It may not even be finding him a home through trade. Might be finding a team that is willing to sign him after he is bought out. There are offsets with this stuff.

It could also be that we are more willing to take on more salary in the deal if we aren't using our space.

Knowing how much bad salary we eat would determine how many picks are moved our way.

So it is waiting on the Lauri deal then....

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm not saying Curry isn't still a great player but you are ignoring your eyes if you think he is as good of a player now as he was 2 years ago. If I can control 5 or 6 years worth of picks for a team whose best player is 36 years old then I'm feeling pretty damn good. Also who are these impactful vets that have been going to GS to play with Curry outside of KD? I can't really think of any.

He's still producing like a top 20 guy, what do you think is going to happen when you pair him with another top 20 (capable) guy.

 

[sip]

It was the impact of Klay that was missing... and also largely Dray who was suspended for like third of their games.

Steph never did it alone. Its the others who havent been up to the level they used to be at.

Steph didn't do it alone but he is also 36 and the west is a bear right now. You look around and all these teams are geared up for this season with a bunch primed for longer term runs. The margin between being a top 4 seed and a borderline play in team seems razor thin to me this year and probably for another few years going forward.

 

[sip]

He's still producing like a top 20 guy, what do you think is going to happen when you pair him with another top 20 (capable) guy.

I think father time is undefeated and he's coming for Curry soon.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I do wonder if we could combine a couple deals together.

Lauri to the Warriors
Dunn and Clarkson to the Clippers
Westbrook and Coffey to the Nuggets

Jazz get the Warriors package plus assets from both Clippers/Nuggets for taking on Tucker’s and Nnaji’s salary.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think father time is undefeated and he's coming for Curry soon.

There's no sign of that....

 

[Flc]

Warriors sound like they aren't going to play ball:
View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4pxfvoMVFEwEcl2CmlIkdg?si=N317-5r-SMalZzfAwGVQpg&context=spotify%3Acollection%3Apodcasts%3Aepisodes&nd=1&dlsi=c68449af5f014f0e


Lacob:

As have been chronicled, we have been going after a couple different people. Big additions.

There are 3 ways to get better in this league: One is through the draft, another is free agency, and the final one is trades. Trades are the hardest. It’s very, very hard to pull off trades because all these GMs want to prove how smart they are. They want to impress their owners.

But here’s the problem: If there’s something I’d like to share with the fans, it’s that they don’t understand how hard it is — and how illogical some of the parties on the other side are sometimes — to pull these things off.

 

[MT Steve]

Warriors sound like they aren't going to play ball:
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Lacob:

My God, this dude really gets off on sniffing his own farts. Complaining about GM's wanting to prove how smart they are is a textbook projection. Everytime this dude opens his mouth its to try and prove how smart he is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So it is waiting on the Lauri deal then....

It could be… I’ve offered a few different hold ups. Pointing to one over the other is guessing. Guess how you like… there are a few potential holdups.

 

[Flc]

My God, this dude really gets off on sniffing his own farts. Complaining about GM's wanting to prove how smart they are is a textbook projection. Everytime this dude opens his mouth its to try and prove how smart he is.

Yeah lol. "Fans are so stupid and just don't understand how other GMs want the farm for a star player because they're trying to be smart" seems to be a rather circular argument rife with both projection and hypocrisy.

He also clearly hates Ainge lol.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Nevermind the numbers I suppose. I think it comes down to motivations and preferred directions. Warriors pick future and Moody is fair but its at the bottom of the fairness window. Podz+Moody+picks is at the top of the fairness window imo. Lauri wants to be here (supposedly). We will sign him to an extension. So if you want us to move then you have to go to the top of the window. I think we can get the equivalent of Moody+picks elsewhere next year if we want.

I think we seem to be actually committed to being bad this year... so I do think we would do some other things to ensure we are bottom 5.

Here's my issue with the "other things to ensure we are bottom 5": We have too many good, young veterans but only one player that will return a ridiculous package which is the only language Ainge speaks. He's not going to get a worthy return on Sexton, let alone thumping another team like Danny makes a point to do, and I'm not sensing a robust market on Kessler, either (and the smoke signals have completely died on the Jazz's side).

TLDR; I don't think we can be bottom-five with all of Lauri, Kessler, and Sexton and only Lauri is going to grab the haul that Ainge operates in terms of. And yes, Moody + rights to all of GSW's 1sts is a haul even if it isn't enough.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My God, this dude really gets off on sniffing his own farts. Complaining about GM's wanting to prove how smart they are is a textbook projection. Everytime this dude opens his mouth its to try and prove how smart he is.

To be fair in the full quote he says that they may also be illogical.

 

[NUMBERICA]

He's not going to sign until the 24 hours have passed and he cant be traded.

They will probably know that ahead of time (Lauri doesn't seem deceitful at all) and it will probably precipitate a trade (maybe be the determining factor, which will be why we should probably just stop paying attention to this for another couple of weeks.

 

[KqWIN]

Nevermind the numbers I suppose. I think it comes down to motivations and preferred directions. Warriors pick future and Moody is fair but its at the bottom of the fairness window. Podz+Moody+picks is at the top of the fairness window imo. Lauri wants to be here (supposedly). We will sign him to an extension. So if you want us to move then you have to go to the top of the window. I think we can get the equivalent of Moody+picks elsewhere next year if we want.

I think we seem to be actually committed to being bad this year... so I do think we would do some other things to ensure we are bottom 5.

I think those are very generous windows in the Jazz favor, but we'll see. Simply looking at our position before/after the trade, I think we are in a better position if we trade for Moody and all the picks. That's how I set my hard line, that's what I would accepts. And again, for anyone out there, I am not larping as Ainge negotiating with the Warriors.....I'm just say that is a deal I would say yes to.

If Shams is accurate, we likely already have the Moody + all picks offer on the table (he didn't mention Moody, but lets just assume he's in there). I'm fine taking that offer and I don't think it's somehow a non-starter if we can't get Podz or if we have to drop some pick compensation for him. Tank+Lauri is valid option, but I like the reported trade options better.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They will know that ahead of time and it will probably precipitate a trade.

Are you saying you think that if Lauri doesnt agree to sign within the window that makes him tradeable for the final day of the trade deadline, the Jazz will choose to trade him without the extension?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Are you saying you think that if Lauri doesnt agree to sign within the window that makes him tradeable for the final day of the trade deadline, the Jazz will choose to trade him without the extension?

I think it moves them off the fence that they're stradling. Similarly, if he says he'll sign it day-of then they'll probably just do that.