My opinion is that they don't and probably shouldn't. We aren't winning a championship next year, so why spend more than they have to when Williams and a bunch of scrubs (AKA what'll be left of the Jazz) can probably make the playoffs?
Does the Jazz FO have a "WIN NOW" mentality for the upcoming season?
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TheMulletMutilator
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They are being strangled by the cap and they are about to lose their second best player. So I think it is fair to say they are holding on for dear life and hoping for some kind of luck.
Gyp Rosetti
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Agreed. We're a work in progress.
Right now, we need to re-mold this team wisely with talent that plays on both ends and who isn't overpaid. Barring some major trade opportunity (i.e., S&T w/ NJ), I see Williams, Matthews, Miles and yes, even Fes (at the right price) and Koufos being commodities to keep this year given their contributions, tolerable price tags, and upside given their respective ages. I'd add Tomic to that list too I suppose. Beyond that, AK needs to hit the road, Korver is too one dimensional and flawed and shouldn't be re-signed imo (unless it's less than about 2.5M per), our back-up points are nothing special, Millsap is too undersized God bless his soul, and Okur is an albatross beyond belief making this off-season worse than it had to be.
It is pretty obvious that the Jazz as an organization doesn't really have a plan. The Jazz only have themselves to blame for the situation they are in. Giving a max contract to a good player AK and then not be willing to admit they made a mistake by never trading him. The Jazz would not be in this situation of potentially losing Boozer if they had made the deal with the Suns or if they hadn't extended Okur. So maybe they are trying to win a championship but they certainly are very smart about it.
I respectfully disagree that they do not have a plan. I am actually in agreement with them that making that plan public is not a good move.
I think we need to remember that because we don't see the plan does not mean they don't have one.
For all the flack they take on this board, they have kept the team competitive (in the top third of the league) for many years in the smallest market in the league. Would I like a championship? Of course. Would 29 other teams? Sure they would. If it were easy to do, everyone would have one. It isn't, but the Jazz have become one of the NBA have's when they clearly should be among the have-nots based on market etc.
I think they know better than we do what would be required to make the team competitive, and what the chances are of getting there. They tried with a nucleus of Kirilenko, Boozer, and Memo. It didn't pan out, but you can't say it was because they didn't spend the money and bring in top free agents. They did. Now they are trying to build around DWill.
How many teams have been able to remain competitive while changing direction and rebuilding? I suspect the answer is very few.
Sorry they didn't draft the guy you thought they should have... Was that guy available at their pick? Nope. They tried to trade up, but cost of doing so was so high it would have crippled them in the future. I suspect had they done so at that cost, you would have ridiculed them for their foolishness and branded them the worst FO in the NBA.... Wait... you did that anyway.
I think some on here need to grow up a little bit. The outrage at how the Jazz are managed is misplaced. They are one of the top organizations in the league, despite being the smallest market, and we are fortunate to be able to enjoy the fruits of that.
I think we need to remember that because we don't see the plan does not mean they don't have one.
For all the flack they take on this board, they have kept the team competitive (in the top third of the league) for many years in the smallest market in the league. Would I like a championship? Of course. Would 29 other teams? Sure they would. If it were easy to do, everyone would have one. It isn't, but the Jazz have become one of the NBA have's when they clearly should be among the have-nots based on market etc.
I think they know better than we do what would be required to make the team competitive, and what the chances are of getting there. They tried with a nucleus of Kirilenko, Boozer, and Memo. It didn't pan out, but you can't say it was because they didn't spend the money and bring in top free agents. They did. Now they are trying to build around DWill.
How many teams have been able to remain competitive while changing direction and rebuilding? I suspect the answer is very few.
Sorry they didn't draft the guy you thought they should have... Was that guy available at their pick? Nope. They tried to trade up, but cost of doing so was so high it would have crippled them in the future. I suspect had they done so at that cost, you would have ridiculed them for their foolishness and branded them the worst FO in the NBA.... Wait... you did that anyway.
I think some on here need to grow up a little bit. The outrage at how the Jazz are managed is misplaced. They are one of the top organizations in the league, despite being the smallest market, and we are fortunate to be able to enjoy the fruits of that.
Perhaps if they don't make the playoffs, in the near future thereafter, we'll be better off. It'll suck to go thru a losing season but, maybe, just maybe ,we'd suck bad enough to get a real high lotto pick..I mean, lets be real, we all praise the job OKC has done but, they wouldn't be where they are without all those awful seasons in Seattle (heck, not all their draft picks have been great...Harden was kind of a reach I felt). Anyway, aside from the yr we got Deron, the Jazz have always been .500 or better, and the Knicks pick ended up 9th and from what i've heard, many in the FO had put a lot of eggs in that basket. Anyhow, it speaks well for the Jazz that they have been able to put together a good team not long after the Stockton/Malone era ended, but at the end of the day, the draft may be the only avenue to get the player(s) needed to push us where we wanna be, unless they decide to dive head first into the luxury tax, and by that I mean 80mil+ , not just 1 or 2 million over (not happening).
@Mfree- well said.
Chad Feldheimer
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What's your plan?
friendsinmyhead
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Why the "grow up" comment? Because we expect more of a front office than "trying". They didn'y try hard enough. Why do they get a pass on championships? Is San Antonio a small market team? The Jazz have become a "HAVE" because of the fans, we foot the bill, we support the team. WE are fans and we shouldn't be expected to sit idly by when the team we support seems to be adrift. For the last several years we have been told that our team is good enough and that we are young and we need to gel and thats where improvements will come from. Well we are losing a 20/10 guy, we will not have Okur, we will not have Korvers three pointers. will we once again be told that this team just needs to gel? There are trades to be made, I want KOC to make them.
mellow
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Given the obstacles of a small market, demographics, the 'Utah' stigma and a hardnose coach, yep it is very amazing what the jazz have been able to do. Yet, they have experienced several disconnects with the fans in recent years. The outrage might be misplaced, but it is there. 3000-4000 fans booing your draft pick, and 14,000 booing Jerry's favorite Boozer are not good signs. Ignoring the outrage is good organizational strategy, but at the same time they need to identify the causes or address the fans concerns.
Sometimes the Jazz are creating thier own problems, IMO jazz need to modify their PR strategy and rethink some of their communications.
Chad Feldheimer
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SA plan: Tank and hopefully get the #1 pick and it worked and it ended up being one of most dominant players of the era. Utah and SA are totally different things. Utah has a tougher time attracting free agents than SA. Texas is warm, no dominant religion issue, it's not 90% white, no state income tax, Duncan. I think fans expectations are a little spoiled. The Jazz have been very good for a long time and with a lot of the odds stacked against them.
Craig K. Manscill
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I think that the Jazz DO want to win and that they want to get those wins now as opposed to later, but preferably now as well as later. Losses generally aren't as highly esteemed as wins, at least as far as finances are concerned. There's more to say on the subject, but I'll just leave it in the abstract zone for now, I don't want to write an essay here. Thanks for reading.
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friendsinmyhead
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I understand the differences between San Antonio and Utah. But each small market has it's own cross to bear i don't think our front office should be given a free pass because we have a state full of Mormons.
Chad Feldheimer
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I think you are misguided if you think fans give them a free pass. Who is giving them a free pass?
I think that the plan is to win as much as possible every year without sacrificing too many future wins, while spending as little as possible. It sounds like a lame line that the FO would use publicly, but after hearing Rigby on the radio the other day, it would not surprise me if this was their plan.
friendsinmyhead
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My original post (that you responded to) was a response to Mfree. In my opinion his post was in essense "give the FO a pass cuz we are small market and we are pretty good".
mellow
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I think you're pretty close, but you need to add something about having players with good character who make contributions to the community.
Listen to the Hayward press confreence for the many refrences the Jazz make to the kind of person he is.
Chad Feldheimer
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I don't think most fans give them a free pass and are satisfied with them not winning it all. However I don't think they are dissatisfied to the point of not coming to games or watching them play (maybe a very small %).
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friendsinmyhead
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I don't understand your point.