Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[franklin]

The reason it is mostly negative is because there is mostly only negative coverage.

This made me chuckle. "The reason the sky is blue is because the blue sky is blue".

I laugh a lot about the Trump hysteria but the thing that get's me is how two of the most rational heads on JF seem to have completely lost it when it comes to Trump. I hope y'all can find your heads and let go of the hate.

 

[Ron Mexico]

well, how is it mostly negative. a coalmine opnening in pensylvania because of trump undoing obama regulation is positive news. ooh wait you hate trees, and dont wnat their to be co2 so trees cant breathe!

the stock-market hitting highs everywhere! ooh wait that is Obama doing.!


jus tgathe ra variety of state and local newspaper see how much those papers talk about russia and other news.


if you think their is only negative things. then you have been brainwashed

So no proof or link to these studies?

 

[Ron Mexico]

This made me chuckle. "The reason the sky is blue is because the blue sky is blue".

That was a type I fixed. There is negative coverage because most the things he is doing are negative.

I dont hate Trump, just dislike his polices.

I do like that trump has gotten people more involved in politics and paying attention. More people should be upset by their politicians. Most of them suck at their job.

 

[franklin]

That was a type I fixed. There is negative coverage because most the things he is doing are negative.

I dont hate Trump, just dislike his polices.

I do like that trump has gotten people more involved in politics and paying attention. More people should be upset by their politicians. Most of them suck at their job.

I know what you meant but it still made me chuckle for some dumb reason.

 

[Red]

Finally something worth reading.

This site has become unbearable. [MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION], please delete your existence. [MENTION=146]DutchJazzer[/MENTION] at least provides a little comedy.

I was a little ahead of the curve. I realized early that Russian interference in our election was likely happening. I started a thread to that effect in July, 2016, while some folks wanted to play ostrich about it. I stated it would be the most important story to emerge from the 2016 election, in fact. It took longer then I expected, but I was 100% correct. It became the biggest story to emerge from the election. If we didn't have our own history of interfering in the politics of other nation states, I might have been able to toss in a little more moral outrage to boot.

Nonetheless, it is my country as much as yours, as I see it, and I did not appreciate seeing Putin attacking our sovereignty as a nation. As I put it at the time, my exact words, "Hillary is our bitch, stay out of our elections". I didn't like it then, I don't like it now, and I expect them to continue to pull that crap, and I won't like it in 2018 and 2020, either.

I saw things more clearly than you might have seen things. I pointed out that the only change made to the Republican platform was a clause on the Ukraine that was favorable to Putin's position. That was most likely the work of Paul Manafort, and I stated that as well. And I will be proven correct on that score too, when all is said and done.

I brought the whole thing up because I wanted to alert as many people as possible to what was happening. I did not create the story, or create the mess the Tweeter-in-Chief eventually found himself in. I don't think alerting my fellow Americans to what a foreign power was doing to us is a bad thing at all. Hate me all you want, but I started those threads to help open people's eyes.

I can see why some people would be sick of hearing it from me, but I was ahead of the curve on all of this, and when I saw what was happening, I said something. Now, if I have somehow ruined this forum as a result, that isn't something that would please me. I still regard myself as an outsider here, and I would not be happy if I've made this forum worse because I registered here.

But, if you're suggesting with your comment that I kill myself, sorry, but I'm hoping to stick around long enough to see how this plays out. The forum topics dealing with Trump are just a microcosm of the country itself right now. But I'll think about cooling it. In the meantime, let Trump delete his Twitter account. I don't like the guy, but his worse enemy is Donald Trump.

 

[babe]

[MENTION=1522]red.[/MENTION]

Don't brag. Tell us where you get your talking points, and who pays you.

Obama was already on task following all of the Trump supporters via his agents in the bureaucracy, giving pointers on how to provide cover for their illegal actions in politicizing US intelligence and homeland security resources.

I don't think I should give you credit for being committed to Constitutional law in America. You're 100% in the tank to overthrow the country and bring in fascism.

I don't know anything about Trump, really. I was ahead of the curve, however, in June, in saying that this forum is outta touch with America, and that Trump was stiff-arming the media, completely playing it, on the theory that bad media would rally his vote.... I thought Trump might be Hillary's friend doing the old Perot split of the R vote, but Trump apparently doesn't run errands for Hillary, and was in it to make a difference he though most American want.

He was right.

Red is wrong.

Red just won't accept a fair election, and like the Media wants to run a wholesale last-ditch "Resistance" to what American voted for.

Red, there are better countries for you. Move to Cuba, or better yet Venezuela. Maybe there are some aborigine sites there worth preserving.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Finally something worth reading.

This site has become unbearable. [MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION], please delete your existence. [MENTION=146]DutchJazzer[/MENTION] at least provides a little comedy.

so i dont have to delete my account

phew


tank you almighty Franklin for allowing me to exist on jazzfanz!

 

[Gameface]

[MENTION=1522]red.[/MENTION]

Don't brag. Tell us where you get your talking points, and who pays you.

Obama was already on task following all of the Trump supporters via his agents in the bureaucracy, giving pointers on how to provide cover for their illegal actions in politicizing US intelligence and homeland security resources.

I don't think I should give you credit for being committed to Constitutional law in America. You're 100% in the tank to overthrow the country and bring in fascism.

I don't know anything about Trump, really. I was ahead of the curve, however, in June, in saying that this forum is outta touch with America, and that Trump was stiff-arming the media, completely playing it, on the theory that bad media would rally his vote.... I thought Trump might be Hillary's friend doing the old Perot split of the R vote, but Trump apparently doesn't run errands for Hillary, and was in it to make a difference he though most American want.

He was right.

Red is wrong.

Red just won't accept a fair election, and like the Media wants to run a wholesale last-ditch "Resistance" to what American voted for.

Red, there are better countries for you. Move to Cuba, or better yet Venezuela. Maybe there are some aborigine sites there worth preserving.

This is one of your all-time worst posts, babe. Who's paying him? That's one of the funniest parts of the Trump era. The idea that when people speak out against him they are not genuine, they are paid.

Many people know me in real life, babe. No one paid me and I don't frequent ultra-liberal websites or put myself in any bubbles. I don't like Trump in a way I have never disliked a political figure ever. He brings out the absolute worst in me. It's not the first time, he's not the only one, but in the past it has been people I have to deal with face to face. But Trump is much like the people I couldn't keep my composure with in real life. I see him, I hear him, I see that stupid Muppet grin of his and I just see red.

 

[DutchJazzer]

i wish the russians started paying me!

not that i need extra money at the moment. but nice to have some russian pesos

 

[Stoked]

[MENTION=1522]red.[/MENTION]

Don't brag. Tell us where you get your talking points, and who pays you.

Obama was already on task following all of the Trump supporters via his agents in the bureaucracy, giving pointers on how to provide cover for their illegal actions in politicizing US intelligence and homeland security resources.

I don't think I should give you credit for being committed to Constitutional law in America. You're 100% in the tank to overthrow the country and bring in fascism.

I don't know anything about Trump, really. I was ahead of the curve, however, in June, in saying that this forum is outta touch with America, and that Trump was stiff-arming the media, completely playing it, on the theory that bad media would rally his vote.... I thought Trump might be Hillary's friend doing the old Perot split of the R vote, but Trump apparently doesn't run errands for Hillary, and was in it to make a difference he though most American want.

He was right.

Red is wrong.

Red just won't accept a fair election, and like the Media wants to run a wholesale last-ditch "Resistance" to what American voted for.

Red, there are better countries for you. Move to Cuba, or better yet Venezuela. Maybe there are some aborigine sites there worth preserving.

Actually the election directly disproves this. More people voted for Clinton than the President. yes the E.C. and all that. I am not disputing he won. But if we are talking about being in our out of touch with "America" then that is a general population game and there has been nothing, at any point whatsoever, to show that the President represents a majority of America.

In fact I believe the opposite is true. I think a majority oppose him to some degree.

But hey why worry about that when the british still exist

 

[moevillini]

...But Trump is much like the people I couldn't keep my composure with in real life. I see him, I hear him, I see that stupid Muppet grin of his and I just see red.

well, you must be part of his conspiracy then if you see Red!

And I'll bet you didn't know that all the mods are paid by George Soros either.

 

[babe]

This is one of your all-time worst posts, babe. Who's paying him? That's one of the funniest parts of the Trump era. The idea that when people speak out against him they are not genuine, they are paid.

Many people know me in real life, babe. No one paid me and I don't frequent ultra-liberal websites or put myself in any bubbles. I don't like Trump in a way I have never disliked a political figure ever. He brings out the absolute worst in me. It's not the first time, he's not the only one, but in the past it has been people I have to deal with face to face. But Trump is much like the people I couldn't keep my composure with in real life. I see him, I hear him, I see that stupid Muppet grin of his and I just see red.

you know I what I think of you. Unhinged lunatic who thought Comey made the proof that Clinton was Honest Abe, when in fact he was appropriating the authority of the DOJ, stepping to the plate to pinch for the blatantly corrupt Loretta Lynch.

You argued then that Comey knew more than I did. Correct. A helluva lot more. And he knows how to play it all. One day Clinton wanted him fired because just before the election he hmmmed and hawwwed about maybe re-opening the investigation. He was covering his ***. He made an assessment about risk. Now he's been made into St. Comey by the dems for the help he's giving.

I don't believe the media is "independent" politically. I could point to ownership facts, and facts about what those owners are, politically. They were unquestionably loading on the negativity for Trump during the campaign. They were unquestionably shell-shocked to see Trump win, even so shell-shocked they held back admitting it for hours on election night, while Hillary went into a wild rage emotionally.

Ever since then, Obama's Plan B information he sent his agency partisans out to gather has been the thing. The purpose is not to defend the integrity of American politics, but to make damn sure Trump can't do what he promised in his campaign, that won him the election.

 

[babe]

Actually the election directly disproves this. More people voted for Clinton than the President. yes the E.C. and all that. I am not disputing he won. But if we are talking about being in our out of touch with "America" then that is a general population game and there has been nothing, at any point whatsoever, to show that the President represents a majority of America.

In fact I believe the opposite is true. I think a majority oppose him to some degree.

But hey why worry about that when the british still exist

The number of people in about ten urban areas who voted for Clinton gave her wins in about five states and a simple majority in the raw vote. I think you do have a sort of point, but not a valid one, or a Constitutional point.

Without about five million voters who shifted to Trump in some generally Democratic states, there would have been no upset.

America is not a simple "democracy". It is a representative Constitutional Republic. It is a union of States, not people. Yes, within States it's the voters who run things, generally.

yah yah yah about the Brits.

The Brits are in some ways our closest cousins, and because of the lingering implications of English Common Law and the Magna Carta, they are perhaps the best allies we could find on the world stage. However, to deny the influence of Britain on US politics in the middle of an media howl over what little Putin and Russia can do is bizarre.

 

[babe]

well, you must be part of his conspiracy then if you see Red!

And I'll bet you didn't know that all the mods are paid by George Soros either.

you're a nice mod, Moe. Sometimes.

let's say an "easy" Mod. I know you do it for free.

Sir Kicky does it because he's an egghead incubated in San Francisco, and he got his job there by foaming at the mouth his law school culture. He's paid well, but no need for Soro's cash.

However, asking direct questions about why Colton and Jason don't have a single conservative mod on their voluntary, unpaid staff is fair. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just believe people have their own reasons for go along with one partisan program or another, and for their biases generally.

No question some paid agents work for some people who have the money to do internet sites for their reasons. The LDS Church does it, for God's sake.

I'd just like to have Jason, Colton, or even some to the contributing members like Jones or Kicky, lay out their ideological commitments and explain their Mod choices. Stoked is the closest thing to a conservative they have picked.

I think the Trump witchhunt is so bad, so biased, so partisan, and so obviously intended to hobble Trump in implanting his campaign promised, it stinks that conservatives have been sorta systematically discouraged in this site. This is a Utah-based site, on a Utah sports theme. Why is it so packed with anti-Trump partisans.

fair question for anyone who is absolutely and obviously connected and committed as Red and Thriller are, coming in here daily with multiple standard talking point pieces all going the same way.

A normal human being, being honest generally, will have some questions about fairness, and some conflicting information, rather than being so one-sided, about all their opinions.

 

[Gameface]

you know I what I think of you. Unhinged lunatic who thought Comey made the proof that Clinton was Honest Abe, when in fact he was appropriating the authority of the DOJ, stepping to the plate to pinch for the blatantly corrupt Loretta Lynch.

You argued then that Comey knew more than I did. Correct. A helluva lot more. And he knows how to play it all. One day Clinton wanted him fired because just before the election he hmmmed and hawwwed about maybe re-opening the investigation. He was covering his ***. He made an assessment about risk. Now he's been made into St. Comey by the dems for the help he's giving.

I don't believe the media is "independent" politically. I could point to ownership facts, and facts about what those owners are, politically. They were unquestionably loading on the negativity for Trump during the campaign. They were unquestionably shell-shocked to see Trump win, even so shell-shocked they held back admitting it for hours on election night, while Hillary went into a wild rage emotionally.

Ever since then, Obama's Plan B information he sent his agency partisans out to gather has been the thing. The purpose is not to defend the integrity of American politics, but to make damn sure Trump can't do what he promised in his campaign, that won him the election.

I said very very little about Comey. Maybe find my posts and refresh my memory.

I probably did say Comey knows more than you because Comey is in a position that grants him far more access to the relevant information than you have. So yeah, if what you're saying is that you know more than Comey because you and millions of others are "in the know" because you listen to right-wing conspiracy entertainment then you're kind of delusional.

 

[Gameface]

you're a nice mod, Moe. Sometimes.

let's say an "easy" Mod. I know you do it for free.

Sir Kicky does it because he's an egghead incubated in San Francisco, and he got his job there by foaming at the mouth his law school culture. He's paid well, but no need for Soro's cash.

However, asking direct questions about why Colton and Jason don't have a single conservative mod on their voluntary, unpaid staff is fair. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just believe people have their own reasons for go along with one partisan program or another, and for their biases generally.

No question some paid agents work for some people who have the money to do internet sites for their reasons. The LDS Church does it, for God's sake.

I'd just like to have Jason, Colton, or even some to the contributing members like Jones or Kicky, lay out their ideological commitments and explain their Mod choices. Stoked is the closest thing to a conservative they have picked.

I think the Trump witchhunt is so bad, so biased, so partisan, and so obviously intended to hobble Trump in implanting his campaign promised, it stinks that conservatives have been sorta systematically discouraged in this site. This is a Utah-based site, on a Utah sports theme. Why is it so packed with anti-Trump partisans.

fair question for anyone who is absolutely and obviously connected and committed as Red and Thriller are, coming in here daily with multiple standard talking point pieces all going the same way.

A normal human being, being honest generally, will have some questions about fairness, and some conflicting information, rather than being so one-sided, about all their opinions.

So who pays you, then? Maybe that's the most relevant question here.

Seriously, babe. You have some notion that the general discussion section of jazzfanz.com is of interest to the soros boogeyman or the English bankers or Rockefeller's ghost. So much so that they plant paid partisan stooges to strong-arm conservatives just trying to express their opinion.

It's just unbelievable when I try to imagine what the world looks like to you.

 

[♪alt13]

I've voted for a republican for President many times. This year was the first year I voted for a Democrat.

Locally I won't vote for Republicans because I dream of one day having a 2 party system in Utah.

https://kuer.org/post/ballot-initiative-begins-redistricting-commission-utah#stream/0

 

[Stoked]

you're a nice mod, Moe. Sometimes.

let's say an "easy" Mod. I know you do it for free.

Sir Kicky does it because he's an egghead incubated in San Francisco, and he got his job there by foaming at the mouth his law school culture. He's paid well, but no need for Soro's cash.

However, asking direct questions about why Colton and Jason don't have a single conservative mod on their voluntary, unpaid staff is fair. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just believe people have their own reasons for go along with one partisan program or another, and for their biases generally.

No question some paid agents work for some people who have the money to do internet sites for their reasons. The LDS Church does it, for God's sake.

I'd just like to have Jason, Colton, or even some to the contributing members like Jones or Kicky, lay out their ideological commitments and explain their Mod choices. Stoked is the closest thing to a conservative they have picked.

I think the Trump witchhunt is so bad, so biased, so partisan, and so obviously intended to hobble Trump in implanting his campaign promised, it stinks that conservatives have been sorta systematically discouraged in this site. This is a Utah-based site, on a Utah sports theme. Why is it so packed with anti-Trump partisans.

fair question for anyone who is absolutely and obviously connected and committed as Red and Thriller are, coming in here daily with multiple standard talking point pieces all going the same way.

A normal human being, being honest generally, will have some questions about fairness, and some conflicting information, rather than being so one-sided, about all their opinions.

Mod choices are not made along political lines for starters. So lib/conservative leanings are not really determining factors.

The President does get a ton of flack on here. Is some over the top biased and overly dramatic? I think so. Some of [MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION], [MENTION=4984]Bulletproof[/MENTION] and thriller's comments come to mind. But they mostly openly admit that bias or it is common knowledge.

But that still fails to explain the widespread opposition to him on Jazzfanz. Maybe, just maybe, we think many of his character traits, tendencies and policies are bad things. I personally find him petty, easily distracted, brash and over confident. I also hate the way he uses Twitter. Then you have his constant flip flopping on the same subject and the inability of his admin to get on the same page. He is constantly contradicted by his cabinet level officials. I am glad there is debate there but it should be internal and not external. We should never hear about it. I found his promise to have Mexico pay for the wall idiotic at best. Then I disagree with removing the ACA and starting fresh. No, tweak it where it needs tweaking.

I agree that the media is not politically independent and I am general slightly cautious of them. But that doesn't mean that the President isn't creating a lot of this smoke/fire himself. I did laugh openly at their reactions on election night. Specifically TYT and Maddow.

I also find you, [MENTION=4486]Boris[/MENTION] and [MENTION=146]DutchJazzer[/MENTION] to be on the opposite end of the political spectrum. You three to me are just as bad for the political discussion climate on here as anyone. So when you talk about unfairness and being one sided you will have to forgive me is I roll my eyes and chuckle.

 

[colton]

However, asking direct questions about why Colton and Jason don't have a single conservative mod on their voluntary, unpaid staff is fair.

Huh?? I'm a conservative, for starters. I'm just anti-Trump.

But as Stoked said, mod choices are not made along political lines at all. So that's a very weird question to ask.

 

[Gameface]

Huh?? I'm a conservative, for starters. I'm just anti-Trump.

But as Stoked said, mod choices are not made along political lines at all. So that's a very weird question to ask.

That's just what an operative for the East India Trading Company would say... very suspicious.