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How do you know we weren't trying to contain it previously?
Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections? Clinton took a ton of Chinese money. Did they intend for that to influence the election or did they just want to get rid of it? Do you think they wanted anything in return?
 
well they pick and choose.

they call Obama scandal free, and only picked on his "soo called scucesses" and his real successes. and never ever ever dared mention the negativity.


with trump it is the opposite!
you do know he is doing good things right?
Obama got criticised all the time by the media. Probably less than Trump has been, but Trump has also done more to be criticised about regardless of how you feel about what he is doing. The number of executive orders, late night tweets, press statements and arguments with media and others combined with being under FBI investigation is more things to have an opinion about. It's the same reason Obama got more coverage more negative stories than Bush did in the same amount of time the beginning.
 
First, thanks for the neg rep. Coming from you it's a compliment. Second, I'm not a trumpetier. I didn't vote for him and I do not like him (even though I did prefer him to Clinton). The ridiculous behavior and logic of his haters deserves to be pointed out, though. And third, I did answer your questions. Too bad that you can't handle the answers.

First of all, it's not a compliment. Secondly, you didn't answer my questions. You even admitted that you couldn't remember them and were too lazy to actually go back and read them. Thirdly, look at this thread. Literally everyone is against you. So just like Trump, "you're right. Everyone else is wrong. It's a witch hunt!"
 
Why do people blame the media for reporting about the FBI investigations? Obviously the FBI had enough real evidence to begin their investigations to start with.

Wether or not Trump or his cabinet are guilty of something will be discovered when the investigation is over. Just like they did with Clinton. She was not guilty but she was careless with information. If I had to guess this is how the investigation into Trump ends. Not guilty but handled it poorly. As far as his cabinet goes, I have no idea one way or the other. There is not enough information available to is the public about this to make a guess. Obviously it looks suspicious for Trump for a few reasons but Russia was not only trying to help Trump win but they also were trying to help Bernie win.
 
First of all, it's not a compliment. Secondly, you didn't answer my questions. You even admitted that you couldn't remember them and were too lazy to actually go back and read them. Thirdly, look at this thread. Literally everyone is against you. So just like Trump, "you're right. Everyone else is wrong. It's a witch hunt!"
I did answer your questions. You chose to ignore them.

Regarding your second comment, I feel like I've been in a discussion with several other posters and an argument with you. Some people, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, have agreed with me on several topics. I'm not the least bit surprised that different people see different things differently.
 
Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections? Clinton took a ton of Chinese money. Did they intend for that to influence the election or did they just want to get rid of it? Do you think they wanted anything in return?
Yes there was media coverage and am uproar when we first heard of hacking happening in Arizona at their polling office before the election happened.

Money from donors with foreign ties is not what the uproar is about with Trump or anyone else. That is a false comparison. What Russia did was far more than donating money to a campaign. Although they investigations point to them trying to help Trump win they also show they tried to help Bernie win. Those are issues we on all sides should be against but I expect our national security to look into that and try and stop that like they do every election.

If Trump or any associates collaborated​ with Russia on those things we have a huge issue. There was enough proof to warrant an investigation by the FBI so that is alarming. But the investigation may yield nothing so we shouldn't assume Trump or any associates are guilty until the investigation is over.

The latest investigation, which is the first into Trump directly, is the one he seems most likely guilty of. From his public statements he seemed like he was impeding the investigation but there might be other explanations or information unknown.
 
Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections? Clinton took a ton of Chinese money. Did they intend for that to influence the election or did they just want to get rid of it? Do you think they wanted anything in return?
I do think there could be degrees of influence? Do you not believe in that possibility? Is it possible that what did russia was worse and more direct? Could that be possible?



Would you think giving money to a politician would be the same thing as assassinating a politician as a hypothetical example? Would you think one worse than the other?
 
Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections? Clinton took a ton of Chinese money. Did they intend for that to influence the election or did they just want to get rid of it? Do you think they wanted anything in return?

You're moving the goalposts in a desperate attempt to change the subject. Creating strawmen of Clintons and Chinese money doesn't strengthen your argument.

It's interesting how those defending Trump must always bring up Clinton in some way shape or form. It has become comical.
 
I do think there could be degrees of influence? Do you not believe in that possibility? Is it possible that what did russia was worse and more direct? Could that be possible?



Would you think giving money to a politician would be the same thing as assassinating a politician as a hypothetical example? Would you think one worse than the other?
No, there are definitely degrees.
 
You're moving the goalposts in a desperate attempt to change the subject. Creating strawmen of Clintons and Chinese money doesn't strengthen your argument.

It's interesting how those defending Trump must always bring up Clinton in some way shape or form. It has become comical.
Oh brother.
 
Meddle? The US has been behind coups all over the world, murdered democratically elected leaders, sponsored death squads, created al-Qaeda and had a large hand in removing a reforming Labour government in my country because they threatened American mining interests. And then lecture the world about free and fair elections! **** off! If Americans are stupid enough to vote for a traitor and a pawn of the Russians they deserve him!

rant over...

Lol. Nice rant dude. !
 
Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections?

I certainly remember. By last Summer, plenty of articles began to appear in the media. I created a folder just on that subject, started a thread here in July, 2016. Stated it would be the most important story to emerge from the 2016 election.

Check the dates on any of these articles. I have at least 25 saved from the Summer and Fall of 2016, all pre-election. The media went nuts the time Trump stood in front of the cameras and invited the Russians to publish more Clinton emails.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b0b0ded0253_story.html?utm_term=.b1110858a239

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/how-vulnerable-to-hacking-is-the-us-election-cyber-infrastructure-2/

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49791/russian-dnc-emails-hacked/?src=socialflowTW

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...lectronic-voting-machines-20160801-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...arget-voting-machines/?utm_term=.af1554644606

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-democrats-investigation-exc-idUSKCN1092HK

And, as far as it not happening at all, on the contrary, it was worse then we thought, as this Bloomberg article pointed out just a few days ago. Involving hacks in 39 states:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...h-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

And the top secret NSA document recently leaked:

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05...ian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/
 
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The Trump Wars.

Nothing brings on a Right/Left hate fest like the Trump Wars. This is really the focal point of Right/Left discord at the moment, and as such, the front line in the civil war being waged for the mind and purpose of America. Around this one person, all the vitriol each side has mustered against the other is reaching a climax of sorts. The immovable base, which I see a percentage of consisting of something akin to a cult of personality, a component that is to be expected will be found in the sphere of control/influence displayed by any good demagogue, but, in any event, that base overall will see the Left as exactly as Trump describes them, and it will be felt as natural in most cases anyway, given that the two sides are basically responding to life itself in a manner that is completely inexplicable each to the other. It becomes harder to compromise and stop drifting further apart on either side of the Left/Right chasm when it's basically become a case of to each the other is so inexplicable, they may as well be from a different planet. With two sets of partisan media driven narratives supporting the anger and alarm of each side toward and for the other side. That's how extreme the two interpretations are, by Trump's base, on the one hand, and the Left on the other.

And nowhere is that radical divide, the ongoing social/political civil war, more strained then in the defense of, on one hand, and attack upon, on the other hand, the person of Donald J. Trump. (And it's only natural that Rural America favors Trump and Urban America disfavors him, as the divisiveness of the social fabric has always had a rural/urban modality. It's only a generalization, but the split represented by conservative/liberal world views is to a degree mirrored by and part of what makes rural America different from urban America. There must be many reasons we could explore, but, in simplistic terms urban is where social diversity, cultural diversity, and freedom from traditional constraints are likely to be concentrated. They'll be more liberal.)

When Trump tweets, he is speaking to his base. His base sees those tweets as speaking truth to liberals out to destroy the President. To those far removed from the base, the tweets are seen as a strategy to keep the base, but also as evidence of the President's inability to stop self inflicting wounds, since his tweets and public comments have only raised the prospects of political damage to his administration, and ever more likely himself. Smelling blood, the attack from liberal media is non stop. And unable to dwell on anything but his self perception, Trump becomes more obsessed and hence more ensnared. One pundant put it this way: "If this is a witch hunt, it's a witch hunt where the President is saying 'Hello. I'm a witch. Hunt me' "

So, the Trump Wars are both a symptom of the split in the American psyche at this moment in time, and a front line in the social/political civil war playing itself out.

It's only natural for the losers of a battle to feel anger in the aftermath more then the winners. It's also natural for winning candidates to reach out to his defeated fellow citizens with equanimity and strong statements embracing inclusion. Partly perhaps because he did not run on social/political inclusiveness of all elements of American society, partly perhaps because of his self absorbed personality, his long stated dislike of anything he can label "loser", and maybe for reasons only he will ever know, that never really happened. As recently as last week, he was taking about his electoral college victory. There's a level of self absorption and probably insecurity therein that has not proven helpful for the man. And is reflected daily in his tweets, and in his inability to stop blustering himself into corners. I can indeed feel sorry for him, since, to me he seems most like a classic tragic personality.

There is no easy way out of this. Had Trump actually reached out to those who did not vote for him, if he did not demonstrate he was an enemy of science in the 21st century, if he simply had not tweeted and commented himself into a Special Council, there might not be a feeding frenzy from the Left in the Trump Wars to this point.

And the present investigation began during the election and has led to date to a better understanding of how deep the interference by Rusdia actually was. It's difficult not to take this degree of interference by Russia with alarm:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...h-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Calling this a hoax is easy for the cult of personality level Trump supporter. Some simply parrot Trump, or don't have strong minds of their own. And many simply hate liberalism and liberals, the truth of it all simply is not relevant. But to many non Trump supporters, it's irritating to the extreme that another nation state can use psyops like fake news to influence the minds of American citizens, and more direct cyber attacks on election software. The Russians favor what they call active measures to achieve their ends without resorting to traditional warfare. This President does not seem to care a wit about that. We've been here as a nation since 1789. We don't have to accept or treat this level of attack on national sovereignty lightly. I do not know why Trump expresses no curiosity or concern for a cyber attack on our system of election. But his treatment of it as a ruse to come after him has only poured accelerant on the Trump Wars. He continues to wound himself by focusing on the investigation.

As the Trump Wars go, so goes the civil war of which it is both symptom and leading edge.
 
Meddle? The US has been behind coups all over the world, murdered democratically elected leaders, sponsored death squads, created al-Qaeda and had a large hand in removing a reforming Labour government in my country because they threatened American mining interests. And then lecture the world about free and fair elections! **** off! If Americans are stupid enough to vote for a traitor and a pawn of the Russians they deserve him!

rant over...

If one knows the history of CIA intrusion into the politics and internal affairs of other nations during the Cold War era, then one knows some of these things did happen. It's the reason I alluded to the fact, in the Congressional shooting thread, that America's own history in such things, made it difficult to infuse any significant degree of moral outrage into the news that Russia was indeed intruding in our election. But, at the same time, as I see it, I didn't intrude into Chile, or anywhere else, and I'm entitled to be angry that this Russian interference, in is essence, represented an attack on our sovereignty as a nation. I can't adopt the attitude, "oh well, we did bad things too, so I guess what goes around comes around". The Russians are only going to be at it again in 2018 and 2020, and I can be pissed off about that and want to find some way to mitigate it....
 

It's mostly true. But your view is naively one sided. It's more accurately put as "...until it became a dog whistle against the president in office".

You have to be a truly special kind of snowflake to think the right wouldn't be blowing that whistle against Hillary like a Monroe street mistress on a Wednesday night.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpt7-QOGKc


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also confirms 8 years of trump!


election cannot be rigged! no evidence in recent past.


OBUMMER said it! era of no bummer has arisen\


rigged-election.jpg
 
You have to be a truly special kind of snowflake to think the right wouldn't be blowing that whistle against Hillary like a Monroe street mistress on a Wednesday night.
This

To me it makes sense that the worst presidential candidate of all time would get lots of criticism and be attacked frequently. Especially when he continues to act like an idiot.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpt7-QOGKc


/thread.

also confirms 8 years of trump!


election cannot be rigged! no evidence in recent past.


OBUMMER said it! era of no bummer has arisen\


rigged-election.jpg


Rig and interfere mean two different things. And What Donald was talking about before the election was a completely, internally rigged election system that he claimed was rigged against him. So Trump, as usual, was wrong and Obama was correct in pointing that out.
 
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