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the political hack team in here will never cry uncle. repeat the lies one more time, maybe it'll sound good.

honest people don't just talk over the facts calling the other side out on what they are doing.

a growing number of folks are tired of the democrat party doubling down on all the stuff they looked at in deciding to vote them outta office.

keep on babbling, you're the pros. you've got a little pulpit in Jazzfanz where people just quit coming here to express any of their views. you drive them all away with this smug contempt for others and overzealous shutdowns of actual people with original viewpoints.

no question Hillary and Obama falsified reports on Benghazi claiming it wasn't terrorists just honest outrage against some damn video nobody ever cared about.

no question their failure to adjust security on valid concerns cost American lives.

no question Obama and Hillary did supply ISIS as an asset in favor of their wish to supplant Assad.

no question Obama and Hillary supported the policy recommended by leading financial kingpins concerned with global overpopulation of keeping America's borders open, with a bonus of building their political base. Associated offenses that have angered many Americans include doling out better financial support for illegals than our own vets, undermining American's wages with cheap "virtual slave" labor in abundance.

no question Obama politicized the federal agencies, supplanting the Bush political hacks of course, and opened up regulated data illegally for purposes of political destruction of their opponents. And hey, even of their own teammates in the mainstream media.... just to be sure they understand the consequences of reporting stuff they down want pushed out on the public.

I dunno, maybe Trump will be no better, but the fact that the "establishment" Americans want changed is working so hard against him is just reassuring.

more and more, Jazzfanz just looks like an organized truth denier's club.

You are one of the few who takes 1 side 100% and thinks everyone else is on one side. Most people here are not "left" or "right." Most people on here do not fit into one of the parties completely or support either one completely. The people who are 100% on one side are generally people who have bought in to propaganda too much. You should probably stop trying to think people are something they are not and trying to label them.


As far as your list goes most of those are not no question there are a lot of questions about those things and you dont know the answer to them and neither do I. We can guess at them but the fact you are trying to say you know 100% the truth on those things and the rest of us are out in the night makes it hard to believe anything you claim. It honestly just makes you sound like and old rambling person with cooky ideas. I generally find you to be an intelligent person but its hard to see anything besides that crazy rambling type with posts like this.

Maybe some sources for your claims would go a long way.

You wont convince anyone that they are "truth deniers" like you are accusing without any evidence or facts to back up anything you are claiming.

But you seem to get your information from very suspect sources and tend to justify your belief in it with fairly anecdotal evidence.

Its also pretty ironic for you to claim "you drive them all away with this smug contempt for others and overzealous shutdowns" when in your same paragraph you claim you know the truth 100% and everyone else is denying truth/facts.
 
dont russians have free speech rights?

illegals have free speech rights according to the left.


unless russia hacked or coerced/blackmailed people into voting for trump.

they have free speech rights! they can say whatever they like be it with ads or not!
 
You are one of the few who takes 1 side 100% and thinks everyone else is on one side. Most people here are not "left" or "right." Most people on here do not fit into one of the parties completely or support either one completely. The people who are 100% on one side are generally people who have bought in to propaganda too much. You should probably stop trying to think people are something they are not and trying to label them.


As far as your list goes most of those are not no question there are a lot of questions about those things and you dont know the answer to them and neither do I. We can guess at them but the fact you are trying to say you know 100% the truth on those things and the rest of us are out in the night makes it hard to believe anything you claim. It honestly just makes you sound like and old rambling person with cooky ideas. I generally find you to be an intelligent person but its hard to see anything besides that crazy rambling type with posts like this.

Maybe some sources for your claims would go a long way.

You wont convince anyone that they are "truth deniers" like you are accusing without any evidence or facts to back up anything you are claiming.

But you seem to get your information from very suspect sources and tend to justify your belief in it with fairly anecdotal evidence.

Its also pretty ironic for you to claim "you drive them all away with this smug contempt for others and overzealous shutdowns" when in your same paragraph you claim you know the truth 100% and everyone else is denying truth/facts.
Babe used to be a much more readable and reasonable poster. I think he’s just frustrated. Trump is the last gasp hope for the way we were crowd and to see that hope being put to flames by a lunatic president is all too much.
 
This seems chilling. The Department of Justice of the Trump administration is demanding the names of 6000 people who "liked" an anti-Trump Facebook page. Shades of Big Brother?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/28/politics/facebook-anti-administration-activists/index.html

https://lawnewz.com/crazy/doj-seeking-info-on-6000-people-who-liked-anti-trump-facebook-page/

In other news involving Russian use of social media platforms, Twitter execs testified to Congress yesterday and drew strong criticism over the use of Twitter by some of the same Russian assets involved with ads on Facebook during the 2016 election:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-twitter-russia-20170928-story.html


"Company executives on Thursday briefed members and staff of the House and Senate intelligence committees on their findings in a closed-door meeting. But several Democratic lawmakers said the company’s presentation left many questions unanswered.
Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, was even more critical, calling Twitter’s disclosures "deeply disappointing” and “frankly inadequate on almost every level.”

Twitter has remained mostly silent in public until now about Russia’s use of its site. Like Facebook, the company revealed few details about the content of the tweets linked to Russia.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Burbank) said much of the information Twitter provided on Russian-linked accounts was derived from Facebook's analysis and did not address whether the tweets were targeted to particular voters in an effort to sway their choice for president.

“It is clear that Twitter has significant forensic work to do to understand the depth and breadth of Russian activity during the campaign,” he said in an interview.

“Additional analysis will require a far more robust investigation into how Russian actors used their platform as a part of their active measures campaign and whether any of the targeting on Twitter suggests the possibility of assistance or collusion with any U.S. persons,” Schiff said.

“Twitter’s probably more important than we know,” said Rep. Jackie Speier(D-Hillsborough), another member of the House committee. Compared with Facebook, “they’ve been, frankly, less cooperative so far.”

In a statement, Twitter said it “deeply respects the integrity of the election process, which is a cornerstone for all democracies."
 
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In the above article on Twitter execs testimony to Congress, Rep. Schiff meantioned the Russian "active measures campaign". Well, I'm not sure Russians enjoy free speech in their own country, witness all the anti-Putin journalists who have met with mysterious ends. But I know the Russians do not have the freedom to engage in "active measures" in an effort to subvert American democracy. They do not have the right to subvert our sovereignty as a nation. To do so is something some might even regard as an act of war.

So, for those interested, here is a good guide to exactly what is meant by Russian "active measures" as applied for use against our democracy and other Western democracies:

https://www.wired.com/story/a-guide-to-russias-high-tech-tool-box-for-subverting-us-democracy/
 
dont russians have free speech rights?

illegals have free speech rights according to the left.


unless russia hacked or coerced/blackmailed people into voting for trump.

they have free speech rights! they can say whatever they like be it with ads or not!

If you're gonna go with the left on this, you have to stay there. You don't get your cake and eat it too.
 
You are one of the few who takes 1 side 100% and thinks everyone else is on one side. Most people here are not "left" or "right." Most people on here do not fit into one of the parties completely or support either one completely. The people who are 100% on one side are generally people who have bought in to propaganda too much. You should probably stop trying to think people are something they are not and trying to label them.


As far as your list goes most of those are not no question there are a lot of questions about those things and you dont know the answer to them and neither do I. We can guess at them but the fact you are trying to say you know 100% the truth on those things and the rest of us are out in the night makes it hard to believe anything you claim. It honestly just makes you sound like and old rambling person with cooky ideas. I generally find you to be an intelligent person but its hard to see anything besides that crazy rambling type with posts like this.

Maybe some sources for your claims would go a long way.

You wont convince anyone that they are "truth deniers" like you are accusing without any evidence or facts to back up anything you are claiming.

But you seem to get your information from very suspect sources and tend to justify your belief in it with fairly anecdotal evidence.

Its also pretty ironic for you to claim "you drive them all away with this smug contempt for others and overzealous shutdowns" when in your same paragraph you claim you know the truth 100% and everyone else is denying truth/facts.

My criticism of this is that the alt-lefties aren't targeted for public shaming like you are doing here but only those who are generally in the far right spectrum constantly are. It's obnoxious and makes me think there are no adults left in the room and nobody understands the concept of parents mixing tough love (pull yourself up by your bootstraps) with compassion (welfare) and treating every child (citizen) differently based on their disposition (cultural status).

I would take your post more seriously if I saw you going after the alt-left posters for the same. We have a few.
 
My criticism of this is that the alt-lefties aren't targeted for public shaming like you are doing here but only those who are generally in the far right spectrum constantly are. It's obnoxious and makes me think there are no adults left in the room and nobody understands the concept of parents mixing tough love (pull yourself up by your bootstraps) with compassion (welfare) and treating every child (citizen) differently based on their disposition (cultural status).

I would take your post more seriously if I saw you going after the alt-left posters for the same. We have a few.

What planet have you been living on? Both sides have been treating each other increasingly like the other party are bad people.

So although you're correct, you're misleading, or mislead in the first place. You see what you want to see, I guess.
 
What planet have you been living on? Both sides have been treating each other increasingly like the other party are bad people.

So although you're correct, you're misleading, or mislead in the first place. You see what you want to see, I guess.

I consider Franklin an intelligent poster, one of the best in here, even though I would classify him (loosely) as too smart to be a zealot for either party or for any one else in particular. Franklin lives solidly on planet earth, and what he says is generally a top post in any thread. I think he is interested most in economics, and he is pretty much a Keynesian. I don't know what I am. A little bit Milton Friedman, particularly when my zealot wife is holding court. A little bit Lyndon LaRouche when I'm listening to their stuff. I don't know how those views can coexist since both parties decry the other as the apex of evil..... My central theorem of economics is that ya gotta get people off the couch, outta bed, away from the soaps, and out the door..... and give them the right to work without a horde of regulators shackling and handcuffing them every which way they turn. It's the idea of doing something productive that prospers anyone. It's the principal joy of living to be able to do something productive.

Keynes worked up Brigham Young's methods a bit when Spencer Eccles was the chairman of the Federal Reserve. I hold that he borrowed from the practical experience of colonial Mormonism under Brigham Young. It's the Gospel of Jesus Christ in action.....

LaRouche decries the petty methods of the international banker cartels with their monetarist control obsessions, and calls for government credit to jumpstart massive infrastructure projects that will transform human life and human potential by creating higher orders of technology accessible to every human.

Friedman decries government meddling in commerce generally, basing his theorems on control-freak regulators interfering with human productivity.

All I really know is that the current regime of government interventionists is deconstructing our economy, not helping anybody. I believe they mean to reduce the general population to the methods and numbers of the cave dwellers of a hundred thousand years ago.

I found Ron's critique readable and interesting. It's always good to have someone tell you what they're seeing in your writing.

My opinion of the core proponents of the DumpTrump campaign in here is that they are following the CFR and mainstream movement to personally destroy an outsider, for no really good reason. I think a lot of what Trump would do for this country and the world is positive in economic impact. I think they represent an obsession for the control freak elements of this country and the world.

I don't think Trump is a Constitutional thinker or a conservative, or ideologically political at all. I'd like to see the country give him a chance to try some of the ideas a lot of people wanted when they voted for him.

It's called "democracy", loosely.... to let the man the people elect do what he said he wanted to do......

my prose does tend to make the point by taking it to some extreme.....
 
My opinion of the core proponents of the DumpTrump campaign in here is that they are following the CFR and mainstream movement to personally destroy an outsider, for no really good reason. I think a lot of what Trump would do for this country and the world is positive in economic impact. I think they represent an obsession for the control freak elements of this country and the world.

I think you are way off on the dump Trump people or just really out of touch. I am not sure how you could base those assertions on anything anyone has said in this forum or any where except conspiracy theories or maybe a few "insiders" that want him out. Those people would most likely be Republicans that dont like an "insider" as their leader though. Since that fact would not effect the other side.

It has nothing to do with him being "an outsider" and there are plenty of very very good reasons. For me it is the lying that bothers me the most. There has not been a more dishonest politician in my lifetime. Almost anything he says that can be fact checked is a lie. It is shocking how dishonest and deceitful this Presidency is. Which is really saying something since Politicians are a deceitful group more often than not. Then there is the fact of his personality which is abrasive at best. His attitude bothers a lot of people and represents what is wrong in the world at times. The main reason I didnt want him as president is because I disagree with roughly 90% of his policies.

The one thing I do like about him is that he is not a career politician. I would not call him an outsider though since he is very financially tied to issues and is very influenced by people who are pushing those issues that I mostly dislike.

Then there the fact that he does not represent equality for people in his actions or speech. He also seems very unintelligent.

As far as economics go I dont trust someone like him to make good decisions. He has not made good decisions with his own money. Good news is the president isnt all that influential on the economy.
 
If you're gonna go with the left on this, you have to stay there. You don't get your cake and eat it too.

what are you tlaking about!

i dont get it!

the left seems to be anti free speech.
socialist burn books, stop votes.

the left advocates something called "hate" speech.

the right says their is no usch thing as hate speech.

their is speech and "call to action"
 
I think you are way off on the dump Trump people or just really out of touch. I am not sure how you could base those assertions on anything anyone has said in this forum or any where except conspiracy theories or maybe a few "insiders" that want him out. Those people would most likely be Republicans that dont like an "insider" as their leader though. Since that fact would not effect the other side.

It has nothing to do with him being "an outsider" and there are plenty of very very good reasons. For me it is the lying that bothers me the most. There has not been a more dishonest politician in my lifetime. Almost anything he says that can be fact checked is a lie. It is shocking how dishonest and deceitful this Presidency is. Which is really saying something since Politicians are a deceitful group more often than not. Then there is the fact of his personality which is abrasive at best. His attitude bothers a lot of people and represents what is wrong in the world at times. The main reason I didnt want him as president is because I disagree with roughly 90% of his policies.

The one thing I do like about him is that he is not a career politician. I would not call him an outsider though since he is very financially tied to issues and is very influenced by people who are pushing those issues that I mostly dislike.

Then there the fact that he does not represent equality for people in his actions or speech. He also seems very unintelligent.

As far as economics go I dont trust someone like him to make good decisions. He has not made good decisions with his own money. Good news is the president isnt all that influential on the economy.

You would need to listen to Alex Jones, especially when he has Roger Stone on as his guest, talking about the "insider" thing. Sure, everybody knows Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney and McCain view Trump as an upstart, a phony Republican, and will never give Trump anything remotely connected to actual support. A lot of people call the Bush league Republicans "RINOs".

Mark Levin and Sean Hannity would concur to a degree. Levin decries the "Chamber of Commerce Republicans and the McConnell/Ryan element. Hannity decries them all as do-nothing re-election machines.

I probably find CNN, NYTimes, Wash Post and a hundred other "progressive" sorts of news spinners as unreadable as you would find the radio talk shows. But I do read/listen to them. I just find them freakin dishonest. When I can, I will listen to Andrew Wilkow and Breitbart as paragons of credibility, but frankly the voice, style and intellect of David Webb (http://www.davidwebbshow.com/) is the most palatable of them all.

At any rate, choose your consciousness stream and swim in it all you want. I chose mine after listening to, and hating, the mainstream for decades, before Rush Limbaugh broke the silence for common sense Americans.

I find Thriller, b proof, and Red laughable actually. Yes, I know they love and believe their sources for their views. credulity, I call it. So without actually discussing the points, they(and you, it seems) just diss whatever.

how in the world could anyone think Hillary is more honest than Trump. Or Bill. I don't think Trump has ever fact-checked anything on the so-called fact-checking outfits. I wouldn't either. Millions of dollars in the Clinton Foundation coming in largish chunks from Russian, Saudi, dozens of other interests in pretty tight timelines corresponding to actions Hillary took as Sec State, and the fact checkers just couldn't see any connection...... but hey..... Trump is selling out America for nothing.... for Zilch, Nada..... with scores of Mueller Hillaryites on the job poring over every possible record. But Hillary gets an all-clear from Mueller's honcho Comey. Bottom line, the Fact-Checkers lose credibility the same way media does when failing to make obvious connections essential to the story, which most common sense humans just will never believe is possible without deliberate lies, bias, and agenda.

Are you freakin f'real, bro? You cannot possibly be serious in thinking Trump is the more corrupt, or the bigger liar.

but oh, you ignored all the news in the last two years, and attribute my information and sources as my own imagination. No, HIllary did acknowledge most of the essential facts, she just professed innocence.

It's the bottom line fact, people believe what they love. Not very many will assess things critically if their fond beliefs are at risk. I have done it, I deliberately try to do it. Most of my posts in here are jabs at folks somehow, I imagine, in need of doing it as well.

After all this time, the fact that some just simply talk over the points and facts I present must mean, reasonably speaking, that they are themselves determined propagandists rather than simple citizens believing the news is actually the reality.
 
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I love how the media is going crazy all night. because trump made a joke! the calm before the storm!


ghahahahaha

they really don't get it!!!!!!

they are really that disconected!
 
the rinos are banning a pease of plastic to appease the leftist!

how in the world do you think banning a peace of plastic is a good measure to prevent something!
 
The Mueller investigation is moving into "uncharted territory"

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-mueller-pardon-obstruction-of-justice-2017-10

Robert Mueller's team is digging into the limits of President Donald Trump's pardon powers.

Because there is little precedent governing presidential pardon powers, the special counsel is likely researching state-level cases with analogous elements that can be applied to the Russia investigation.

Experts say Mueller is taking unprecedented steps to ward off efforts by the White House to guard itself against the investigation.
 
I love how the media is going crazy all night. because trump made a joke! the calm before the storm!


ghahahahaha

they really don't get it!!!!!!

they are really that disconected!

Sometimes it actually helps if you let people know exactly what the hell you're talking about, or, in this case referring to by the "calm before the storm".

So, I'll do that for you....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/politics/trump-storm-coming/index.html

Who knows if it's a joke, anyway? Might refer to North Korea. Might refer to Iran, as Trump plans next week to not re-certify the Iran deal, upsetting our Western allies, and throwing the future of the deal back into the lap of Congress. Or maybe he's referring to the "war on terror". Who knows, but I would not assume the response is actually going to be side splitting laughter. We'll see....

One thing is certain. If it's a problem for America, or a divisive issue involving Americans, there you will be laughing your *** off per usual...
 
Sometimes it actually helps if you let people know exactly what the hell you're talking about, or, in this case referring to by the "calm before the storm".

So, I'll do that for you....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/politics/trump-storm-coming/index.html

Who knows if it's a joke, anyway? Might refer to North Korea. Might refer to Iran, as Trump plans next week to not re-certify the Iran deal, upsetting our Western allies, and throwing the future of the deal back into the lap of Congress. Or maybe he's referring to the "war on terror". Who knows, but I would not assume the response is actually going to be side splitting laughter. We'll see....

One thing is certain. If it's a problem for America, or a divisive issue involving Americans, there you will be laughing your *** off per usual...
[MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION]
or it refers to trump meeting with military leaders. last time he met with leaders rumors(whether true or not came out) that tiller son called him a motron and it got pretty heated in that meeting! and that things got pretty heated. aka stormy!

so it is simple before meeting with the generals to ripping them a new one. the pictures was a the calm/.

geez is the left so disconected!
 
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or it refers to trump meeting with military leaders. last time he met with leaders rumors(whether true or not came out) that tiller son called him a motron and it got pretty heated in that meeting! and that things got pretty heated. aka stormy!

so it is simple before meeting with the generals to ripping them a new one. the pictures was a the calm/.

geez is the left so disconected!

Or?
 
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