I'm not picked on, you're just a dick. It's not any more complicated than that.
What's in the realm of think, is I think you're an ignorant, hypocritical ****, because you do like him and can't admit it.
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I'm not picked on, you're just a dick. It's not any more complicated than that.
What's in the realm of think, is I think you're an ignorant, hypocritical ****, because you do like him and can't admit it.
But let's break that down for you, because I'm sure you'll need it:
- You're ignorant
- There's no getting you to understand historical fact, even when pointed out and reclarified
- You assume overreaction in others so you don't have to face what is a very clear issue once broken down to granular pieces and laid out
- There's no getting you to understand historical fact, even when pointed out and reclarified
- You're Hypocritical
- You're not even reading my posts, yet you clearly expect me to read yours
- You're giving a man named in over 1500 lawsuits the benefit of the doubt
- Your first instinct when someone tries to clarify is that they're being devious, yet you haven't managed to back up any of your thoughts with historical fact or precedence
- You're not even reading my posts, yet you clearly expect me to read yours
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Joe Bagadonuts
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Yes, I get that. The allegations went far beyond consensual sex, though. And Hillary was attacking the reputations of the accusers. The vast majority of Clinton supporters seemed to be okay with that.
Okay, enjoy having a conversation with yourself. You respond to my posts like you're responding to what I posted, but you're always off by a few degrees. I'm done interacting with you.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Seriously do not understand how I triggered you so badly Mr. Gorilla, but feel free to put me on your ignore list. I don't want to cause you to rupture something important.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Okay. G'bye.
Just a few posts up we went over this.
In the 90s I wanted Bill Clinton to step down because he lied to the American people on the record. That's a fact. It later became known he DID have sexual relations with Lewinsky.
That is an established fact.
That (an established fact) has a special place on my priority list.
In the 90s I wasn't very familiar with the allegations against Bill Clinton of sexual harassment and sexual assault. And even now, I don't know specifics, really.
I got into Bill stepping down by saying that I wanted to make clear that I thought he should because he lied to the American people.
I got into it saying that AT THE TIME I wanted him to leave office. This is not me rewriting history, saying that what I know now, the way I see things now, I wish he would have stepped down. This is me saying that had we had a conversation in the late 90s I would have told you that I think Clinton should leave office because he lied to us. Looked straight into the camera and set the record straight... by telling a lie. I was a young man at that time, I was a couple years away from enlisting in the Navy. I was far more idealistic than I am now. I was patriotic in a different, simpler way, than I am now (although I think I'm more patriotic, in a more substantial way with the little bit of wisdom I've gained). I felt Bill Clinton did not meet my standard of what a U.S. President should be, because of the lie. That's one thing I knew for certain, that he lied to us to cover his ***. That's what cowards do. That's not what a President should do. If he had refused to answer the question and I later find out what he did, I like him a little less, sure, but I wouldn't have felt strongly about him leaving office.
You have brought up the other allegations about 6 times in response to me alone. That has never had anything to do with what I'm talking about. It's not relevant to the conversation. It's like you want me to say I TRIPLE wanted Bill to step down.
I wanted Bill Clinton to leave office in disgrace for lying to the American people because I wanted the standard to be set that it wasn't okay for the President to lie directly to the American People.
I want to add a little extra because I'm afraid you're gonna try to turn this again into a discussion about something it is not. Bill Clinton had sex (of a sort) with a White House intern. Consensual or not, that was inappropriate. In the 90s it hardly raised an eyebrow. If we were to have a separate conversation about how I NOW feel about Clinton's actions in regard to Lewinsky and how I feel about the other allegations, let's do that. But that's not what I've been talking about.
And that's the point. You don't ever seem to get what I'm talking about. You don't ever seem to be able to engage in the conversation that you often start, and that I try to engage in, but that you then shift endlessly into trivialities and non-sequiturs. I don't need that sort of frustration.
I'm not going to put you on ignore. You're not Dutch. I think that you are being honest. I think that you are making what you consider to be honest arguments for your point of view. You have integrity.
But you do have an uncanny ability to annoy me with how your argument wanders and circles back on itself. I have lost my cool and acted in ways that I'm ashamed of in regard to our interactions. I'm not going to let that happen again. So I'm not going to respond to you, although I will read your posts and consider your arguments.
Red
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"ususally when you go on a witch hunt, at the end of the witchhunt the only "crime" that seems to be commited is lying to the investigators, who are searching for crimes that are not there!"
People who are closely following this investigation, which obviously does not include @DutchJazzer, understand that Mueller had enough evidence to charge Flynn with many more serious crimes, including being part of a kidnapping plot. Mueller could have EASILY charged Flynn with several more crimes. The fact that he "only" got charged with lying to the FBI, with the prospect of a sentence way more lenient then the guidelines, is a clue that Mueller is confident that Flynn can help Mueller nail bigger fish. Starting low and working upward is the norm of a good investigation, not a witch hunt. If you actually believe that lying to the FBI is the only crime Flynn could be charged with, then you're not paying attention at all, or you're letting everything go right over your head, or you have no good arguments and that's all ya got. I'm guessing the latter in your case. Sad!
People who are closely following this investigation, which obviously does not include @DutchJazzer, understand that Mueller had enough evidence to charge Flynn with many more serious crimes, including being part of a kidnapping plot. Mueller could have EASILY charged Flynn with several more crimes. The fact that he "only" got charged with lying to the FBI, with the prospect of a sentence way more lenient then the guidelines, is a clue that Mueller is confident that Flynn can help Mueller nail bigger fish. Starting low and working upward is the norm of a good investigation, not a witch hunt. If you actually believe that lying to the FBI is the only crime Flynn could be charged with, then you're not paying attention at all, or you're letting everything go right over your head, or you have no good arguments and that's all ya got. I'm guessing the latter in your case. Sad!
At the end of the day I think Mueller get Kushner and that is his big fish. I think that those the President had and continues to surround himself with hold him in low regard and often go rogue for what they feel is best.
I base this off Tillerson reportedly calling him a "moron", Amarosa sneaking into cabinet meetings, the Bannon, Kelly, Spicer and other firings/resignations, the Session/Trump tension, this entire investigation, his extreme tendency to go off script and message...
This in itself is its own damning indictment of this Presidency. I am stunned anytime someone joins it tbh. Its like asking to get butchered.
Funeral yesterday. LDS services for a homosexual man that didn't want anything to do with the LDS church. Felt really good just to go off on someone.
But don't pretend what I detailed isn't two truths and a lie. It's mostly still very accurate.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I'm just thankful that you're reality is not my reality. Among other things I have no interest in violating your wife, sisters or mother, whether they be alive or not.
I encourage you to prove my points wrong.
I'll entertain myself, [edit out inappropriate content].
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Joe Bagadonuts
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You think it's fun to imagine you violating a corpse?
DutchJazzer
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mods can you explain to me why people are being personally attacked over here?
Yes, as a matter of fact, I think it's ****ing hilarious.
But believe it or not, your inability to understand what's actually happening is the heart of our disagreement.
You think it's fun to imagine you violating a corpse?
Imagine the different colors here not as what they are, but as strings of characters that have a moderately different context. For example
<A person> <an action> it's fun to <another action> <a person> <an action>
Or
I think it's fun to taunt you with obviously false actions.
Once again, but in context that matters to this thread:
You can't comprehend that diplomatic efforts can be tragically, fatally consequential to a nation if preformed by untrained, non-appointed citizens.
You state that it happens all the time. It does not. Convince me otherwise by following up on your accusation seen here:
Joe is starting to remind me a lot of eenie-meanie in that he just doesn't follow what's really going on in a conversation, seems to lack a certain awareness and comprehension. I think it's lack of empathy, not in a sympathetic sort of way, just in an inability to understand other people's points of view as they are presenting them and because of that not able to understand the point. Almost every conversation I've had with him is just a series of us talking past one another, while he dances and smirks thinking he's gotten the better of me.
Glad I cleared my ignore list so I could read this and report your disgusting ***. This is worthy of perma-ban IMO.
I'll take "franklin makes an excuse as to why he can see my posts after ignoring me" for $1000, Alex.