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Red said:
Dissenting opinions.

www.motherjones.com

“The president is now a king”: The most blistering lines from dissents in the Trump immunity case

"Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune."
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This is how Sotomayor put it:


Jackson made a similar and distressing point:
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Those dissenting opinions put on display why nearly everyone agrees that Sotomayor and Jackson are the dumb ones. To start, if Jackson and Sotomayor were right then we don't need to bother with the upcoming election because Biden is now a king and kings don't need to be elected. ... Except there is going to be an election because Sotamayor and Jackson are morons.

Next, a sitting US President cannot have Seal Team 6 assassinate a political rival because all of Seal Team 6 and anyone remotely related to facilitating or even knowing about the plot doesn't have any immunity.

It is sad SOCTUS had to step in to stop Biden's gross weaponization of the DOJ against his main political rival, but once again it appears the guardrails are holding. Thank you founders.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Spoke out against Trump I would guess. No idea what she actually said but that part is meaningless when it comes to Donald and his narcissism.
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foreignpolicy.com

Trump Has Mocked the U.S. Military His Whole Life

Egged on by his father, the U.S. president began expressing contempt for Americans who fight in wars as far back as high school, his classmates…
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com

Perhaps no one was less surprised last week when it was reported that U.S. President Donald Trump had called American war dead “losers” and “suckers” than his former high school classmate George M. White.

The 74-year-old retired Army veteran was Trump’s superior—the first captain, or highest-ranking cadet—in Trump’s 1964 graduating class at the New York Military Academy. White said he witnessed up close Trump’s contempt for military service, discipline, and tradition, as well his ungoverned sense of entitlement, all helped along by his father Fred Trump’s generous donations to the school.

“No, those remarks absolutely didn’t surprise me. In my dealings with him he was a heartless, obnoxious son of a bitch,” White told me in an interview over the weekend.

www.msnbc.com

Why Milley’s story about Trump and an injured vet is so easy to believe

Retiring Gen. Mark Milley has a brutal perspective on Donald Trump. The outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff’s claims are very easy to believe.
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Al-O-Meter said:
Those dissenting opinions put on display why nearly everyone agrees that Sotomayor and Jackson are the dumb ones. To start, if Jackson and Sotomayor were right then we don't need to bother with the upcoming election because Biden is now a king and kings don't need to be elected. ... Except there is going to be an election because Sotamayor and Jackson are morons.

Next, a sitting US President cannot have Seal Team 6 assassinate a political rival because all of Seal Team 6 and anyone remotely related to facilitating or even knowing about the plot doesn't have any immunity.

It is sad SOCTUS had to step in to stop Biden's gross weaponization of the DOJ against his main political rival, but once again it appears the guardrails are holding. Thank you founders.
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I don’t believe you.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5eabZ5HdYo&pp=ygU1TGF3cmVuY2UgVHJpYmUgb24gU3VwcmVtZSBDb3VydCB0cnVtcCxpbW11bml0eSBydWxpbmc%3D


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUHubDbz7Fk&pp=ygU1TGF3cmVuY2UgVHJpYmUgb24gU3VwcmVtZSBDb3VydCB0cnVtcCxpbW11bml0eSBydWxpbmc%3D

www.thenation.com

The President Can Now Assassinate You, Officially

Under this new standard, a president can go on a four-to-eight-year crime spree and then retire from public life, never to be held accountable.
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www.aljazeera.com

How Supreme Court’s immunity ruling ‘transforms’ US presidency

Experts say shielding official presidential action from prosecution undermines rule of law and enables abuse of power.
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“But beyond its immediate effect, the decision will have a “remarkable” impact on presidential powers, said David Super, a law professor at Georgetown University.

“This fundamentally transforms the presidency,” Super told Al Jazeera. “Here, the court says the president is still subject to the law, but they’ve made that much, much narrower than it ever was before. These are certainly the kinds of powers that are much more familiar to dictators than they are to presidents of democratic countries.”


“As defenders of Trump and the Supreme Court will immediately note: This is how the system works. And that is true. It is. Five members of the nine-person Supreme Court can be nominated by presidents who lost the popular vote when they first ran, and four of them can be confirmed by senators representing less than half the country. Then they can decide, against the views of two-thirds of the country, that a president who lost the popular vote should have immunity from criminal charges for having attempted to subvert the results after he lost the popular vote again.

It’s how the system works.”
 
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Red said:
foreignpolicy.com

Trump Has Mocked the U.S. Military His Whole Life

Egged on by his father, the U.S. president began expressing contempt for Americans who fight in wars as far back as high school, his classmates…
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com

Perhaps no one was less surprised last week when it was reported that U.S. President Donald Trump had called American war dead “losers” and “suckers” than his former high school classmate George M. White.

The 74-year-old retired Army veteran was Trump’s superior—the first captain, or highest-ranking cadet—in Trump’s 1964 graduating class at the New York Military Academy. White said he witnessed up close Trump’s contempt for military service, discipline, and tradition, as well his ungoverned sense of entitlement, all helped along by his father Fred Trump’s generous donations to the school.

“No, those remarks absolutely didn’t surprise me. In my dealings with him he was a heartless, obnoxious son of a bitch,” White told me in an interview over the weekend.
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Lol a guy that wasn't even there meanwhile every single person there, every single one, literally every...single... person said it didn't happen. Outside of hearsay there is not a single witness that heard him say that. Not one. Literally...not...one... single person.

Propaganda *** Red. You are so to manipulate it's scary. How you can take a story with literally zero evidence and believe it
 
Red said:
I don’t believe you.
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Of that, I have no doubt. We'll have an election this November and you still won't believe it. Absolutely nothing has changed except that Biden will have a harder time corrupting the DOJ into being a tool he can use against his political enemy. What Biden has been doing is an illegal usurpation of power.

Biden did not have the constitutional power to forgive student loan debt. The courts affirmed that Biden did not have that power. Biden did it anyway and is on the campaign trail bragging how he not only forgave student loan debt but that he also claimed for himself the power to overrule the Supreme Court to do it. In our system of checks and balances, he broke one.

The criminal prosecution of Trump by Jack Smith is also totally illegal, but apparently it is fine because the law is being broken to go after Trump so the ends justify the means. Special Prosecutors with prosecutorial power need to be confirmed by the Senate. Robert Mueller didn't need to be confirmed by the Senate because he was an "inferior officer" who couldn't prosecute but instead had to hand off that duty. Jack Smith is prosecuting. He is not an inferior officer but it is only the US constitution requiring such as office to be "established by Law" meaning created by the Legislative Branch.

SCOTUS isn't fostering authoritarianism. SCOTUS is standing in the way of it, and now the real pro-authoritarians are spinning up a campaign to attack and depower the only branch standing between themselves and claiming absolute power. It is not a good thing when the President says he can ignore the rulings of the court. It is not a good thing to delegitimize a coequal branch of government.
 
Rubashov said:
This is the legacy of wedge politics 40 years of pitting people against each other has created all sorts of fault lines and both sides of politics have exploited it. North South, Urban Rural, Black White, so many different ways to pit poor people against each other while the wealthy maintain their class interest above it all.
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Great post.

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Al-O-Meter said:
Those dissenting opinions put on display why nearly everyone agrees that Sotomayor and Jackson are the dumb ones. To start, if Jackson and Sotomayor were right then we don't need to bother with the upcoming election because Biden is now a king and kings don't need to be elected. ... Except there is going to be an election because Sotamayor and Jackson are morons.

Next, a sitting US President cannot have Seal Team 6 assassinate a political rival because all of Seal Team 6 and anyone remotely related to facilitating or even knowing about the plot doesn't have any immunity.

It is sad SOCTUS had to step in to stop Biden's gross weaponization of the DOJ against his main political rival, but once again it appears the guardrails are holding. Thank you founders.
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A sitting us president could have seal team 6 assassinate a political rival. The assassins go to prison because they don't have immunity. President is good to go though.

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Al-O-Meter said:
Of that, I have no doubt. We'll have an election this November and you still won't believe it. Absolutely nothing has changed except that Biden will have a harder time corrupting the DOJ into being a tool he can use against his political enemy. What Biden has been doing is an illegal usurpation of power.

Biden did not have the constitutional power to forgive student loan debt. The courts affirmed that Biden did not have that power. Biden did it anyway and is on the campaign trail bragging how he not only forgave student loan debt but that he also claimed for himself the power to overrule the Supreme Court to do it. In our system of checks and balances, he broke one.

The criminal prosecution of Trump by Jack Smith is also totally illegal, but apparently it is fine because the law is being broken to go after Trump so the ends justify the means. Special Prosecutors with prosecutorial power need to be confirmed by the Senate. Robert Mueller didn't need to be confirmed by the Senate because he was an "inferior officer" who couldn't prosecute but instead had to hand off that duty. Jack Smith is prosecuting. He is not an inferior officer but it is only the US constitution requiring such as office to be "established by Law" meaning created by the Legislative Branch.

SCOTUS isn't fostering authoritarianism. SCOTUS is standing in the way of it, and now the real pro-authoritarians are spinning up a campaign to attack and depower the only branch standing between themselves and claiming absolute power. It is not a good thing when the President says he can ignore the rulings of the court. It is not a good thing to delegitimize a coequal branch of government.
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Why would presidential immunity make it harder for Biden to weaponize the DOJ?

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fishonjazz said:
A sitting us president could have seal team 6 assassinate a political rival. The assassins go to prison because they don't have immunity. President is good to go though.

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Then he pardons them. Done and done. No reason not to follow his orders at that point.
 
Red said:
Biden told the nation that he doesn’t need such power. Ask Trump if he feels the same way.
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Scary thing is, knowing the alternative, maybe he does need it.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Then he pardons them. Done and done. No reason not to follow his orders at that point.
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Good point

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fishonjazz said:
A sitting us president could have seal team 6 assassinate a political rival. The assassins go to prison because they don't have immunity. President is good to go though.
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Not at all. This ruling created three tiers of activities: Core powers, non-core duties, and private activities.

For core powers there is immunity. If you as a private citizen ordered that someone overseas be killed then you'd be prosecuted, but if the President ordered a drone to kill a terrorist in Yemen then he's immune.

For non-core duties, there is presumptive immunity. For citizens there is presumptive innocence, but that doesn't mean you can go out an commit crimes without consequence. It means the prosecution must prove your guilt and if they don't prove it then you are not guilty. You don't need to prove your innocence because you have presumptive innocence. For non-core duties, a US President has presumptive immunity.

For private activates, the US President is no different from you, me, or any American citizen who has a billion dollars for defense attorneys.

The ruling from the Supreme Court is actually pretty common sense and mild, but Sotomayor used it as an excuse to crank out political propaganda which left-leaning media is running with.

That said, even in Sotomayor's fever dream world, a US President could be held to account by the Legislative Branch. They have the power to impeach, convict, remove Secret Service protection, and continually report the former President's whereabouts. That world's former President likely wouldn't make it a week. Luckily our reality is not the one Sotomayor painted and Trump is not free and clear. He is still going to get prosecuted by Jack Smith.
 
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