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Donald Trump Endorses Murdering Drug Users/Dealers

Reading various reports, it's not clear if Duterte got an actual formal invite to Washington, and recall, he called an American President the "son of a whore", so diplomatically an invite now would seem out of whack for a Philippine leader who seems unhinged. It may be he received one of Trumps "if you're ever in Washington, don't be a stranger" line, which is what the British PM got, if reports are accurate. I don't expect Trump to think before he speaks with some of his calls. He does seem to insist the State Department not advise him. But I'm guessing Duterte put a certain spin on this business about approving Duterte's methods. Vigilante death squads after all. But, I also don't have any reason to believe Trump thinks things through either, so hard for me to put anything past him at this point....
 
I recall the time Joe Scarborough pointed out to Trump that Putin had journalists murdered, and Trump replied "I think our country does plenty of killing also, Joe....". Hard to blame anyone if they interpret that as tacit approval of killing journalists. But pressed by Scarborough if he condemns killing journalists, Trump replied "oh sure, absolutely". We're dealing with someone who may not always realize he could be more careful in how he words things. I imagine Team Trump will issue some sort of response stating that Trump does not approve of vigilante squads, but it probably should not be a surprise if Duterte concluded " hey, this guy likes what I'm doing". That can't surprise me, but Duterte is hardly going to say Trump condemned the killings...
 
Reading various reports, it's not clear if Duterte got an actual formal invite to Washington, and recall, he called an American President the "son of a whore", so diplomatically an invite now would seem out of whack for a Philippine leader who seems unhinged. It may be he received one of Trumps "if you're ever in Washington, don't be a stranger" line, which is what the British PM got, if reports are accurate. I don't expect Trump to think before he speaks with some of his calls. He does seem to insist the State Department not advise him. But I'm guessing Duterte put a certain spin on this business about approving Duterte's methods. Vigilante death squads after all. But, I also don't have any reason to believe Trump thinks things through either, so hard for me to put anything past him at this point....

In the Philippines, much like some areas of Mexico, I believe the drug rackets have been gunning down citizens for some time..... decades.... to teach the citizenry to lay low and say nothing.

In the drug cartel world, these extra-constitutional and human rights-killing methods, are *** for tat. The real answer requires systemic constitutional law enforcement, not vigilantism or some big government crackdown that destroys fundamental human liberty.

I think the New York Times, and a lot of other so-called "news" sources have been pushing their version of hacked reality on the public in ways that are fundamentally dishonest and calling it "news" without thorough investigation or any effort to credibly present all the available facts.

In a world with established criminal enterprises that can "launder" their take through international banks owned by the same folks who own the major news "retailers", this should be no surprise.

I have been on the ground in both the Philippines and in Mexico, and my experience and observation is enough to absolutely state the above facts. Armchair political activists reading "journalism" like most of our premier media sources for rational, factual, and balanced "news" can perhaps feel wise and comfortable there's enough reason to believe as they do, but it's not the truth.

I've been in California a lot recently, and have some friends who are what I term "pot scholars" who can with some reason discuss marijuana as herbal or medicinal and can explain its effects minutely by varieties of plant sources and end usages and varied techniques. Fish has nothing on them as advocates, let's say. The issue with legalization, as the worm turns, is control. If we give corporates the edge with their batteries of lawyers marking their way, enough to drive the domestic or smaller producers out of the markets, say, marijuana will end up being like Big Pharma.

Hillary and Obama did and would do nothing to decriminalize drugs or marijuana. Even though they themselves use and most of their supporters use these things with a certain sense of entitlement. They took drug money from the biggies. They had "friends" in the justice department enough they could pass the word and get their friends off easy. Probably no area of law enforcement is as riddled with lawlessness in the judicial system and "law enforcement" personnel. But they keep the laws on the books because it is a source of personal leverage and power,and they are in the money river that sustains it.

The war on drugs has always had that character, of making our law enforcement agencies the "enforcers" for the bigger racketeers. Our DEA has been corrupt. The Bush family and the Clintons have gotten a lot of money, as well as our big Banks, from the drug racket and anyone who tries to tell the story is called a "conspiracy theorist" or somesuch.

Well, folks, don't listen to me. Go back to your rabbit hole and enjoy your Alice in Wonderland news.

Donald Trump knows nothing about drugs or the drug racket. He is not an ideologue politically. I'm pretty sure his variety of showmanship during the campaign was to game the media in the vein of not caring what anyone said as long as they spelled his name right and gave him all that free publicity. And out on the street he found enough people who didn't believe the media and hated the established politics it really just made him look like a real alternative.

But Donald Trump is the kind of operator who will listen to more than once side of any subject until he gets some kind of sense about what their reasons are, and then he will do what he needs to do to accomplish his fundamental objective. His fundamental objective is to build relationships that are favorable to American business. I even hear some folks now complaining about his "friendship" with Al Gore because he's met with him and had some discussions of stuff.

I've been saying for months that CFR elites should just accept Trump and ride the Trump train for all it's worth to achieve their progressive agenda. But I think the fundamental reason they could not is because he's not part of the Alice in Wonderland drug business. Sorry, folks, The CFR elites need their drug cash cow. Trump might just be the one who would decriminalize the drug scene. I mean, really, as in no big legal industry dotting the i's and crossing the t's for anyone. No big cartel play.

The Hillary crusaders in our major media are still on their heels trying to find scary stuff about Trump. It's called cognitive dissonance when the facts in front of you just can't fit in the schema you've been living by.

Red, I find hope in you for the questions you're asking in the two comments above, and I agree with the whole idea of casting a wider net for understanding what is going on.
 
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Duterte is an awful human being. The support he has in the Philippines amazes me. Makes me more appreciative of American culture. I think we're better than that.

We're not. Trump proves it. Now he's twitter-attacking a union guy for Carrier. He's unstable in the extreme, and the next four years will be an escalating series of conflicts. Republicans will always side with Trump and we will end up with blood being spilled and relationships in tatters.
 
We're not. Trump proves it. Now he's twitter-attacking a union guy for Carrier. He's unstable in the extreme, and the next four years will be an escalating series of conflicts. Republicans will always side with Trump and we will end up with blood being spilled and relationships in tatters.

Many republicans don't side with him now. More will distance themselves as the crazy becomes more evident. I think the best the establishment had hooted for wad to use Trump as a pawn to further the neocon agenda with little resistance but I think he will prove to be a tougher nut to crack than that and the divisions will just get wider.

My best hope is that this fiasco helps drive the rise of a viable 3rd party especially if Trump runs again and the dems put forth another clueless dishonest ideologue that drives more real regular people away.
 
My best hope is that this fiasco helps drive the rise of a viable 3rd party especially if Trump runs again and the dems put forth another clueless dishonest ideologue that drives more real regular people away.
Nice thought but it aint gonna happen. Next election either trump or whoever the democrat is will win again. People are too worried about the enemy winning so they feel like they have to vote for their candidate. This country is way to divided by the two party lines for anyone else to have a chance. Its very very unfortunate but its the way it is. This most recent election featured two of the worst candidates possible and was the perfect time for a 3rd party candidate to make some noise. 3rd party candidate won ZERO states. Couldn't even win ONE measley electoral vote in an election perfectly set up for a 3rd party candidate.
 
Nice thought but it aint gonna happen. Next election either trump or whoever the democrat is will win again. People are too worried about the enemy winning so they feel like they have to vote for their candidate. This country is way to divided by the two party lines for anyone else to have a chance. Its very very unfortunate but its the way it is. This most recent election featured two of the worst candidates possible and was the perfect time for a 3rd party candidate to make some noise. 3rd party candidate won ZERO states. Couldn't even win ONE measley electoral vote in an election perfectly set up for a 3rd party candidate.

In a way, Trump was a 3rd party that won this year. He didnt have the support of the Republicans. He hijacked the party.

Despite what Democrats want to believe, Trump being elected wasn't that America is full of racists and they wanted a racist president. He was out there preaching against the establishment. The same way Bernie Sanders was. Had Bernie been able to run, and not get screwed by Hillary and the DNC, there is a good chance he would have beat Trump. He practically had the same message. Just without all the baggage.
 
Fox News is real news. They are real news.

When we're talking about fake news we ARE NOT talking about Fox News.

No. Its fake news. When you purposely mislead people and try to manipulate, then that is fake news. It doesnt matter if it has some facts or not. Its like when someone purposely leaves out parts of a story to paint the event in a certain light, that is lying. Even if they try to argue they didnt actually lie. If your kid or spouse tried that with you, you would call him or her out on it. You know it, I know it.
 
In a way, Trump was a 3rd party that won this year. He didnt have the support of the Republicans. He hijacked the party.

Despite what Democrats want to believe, Trump being elected wasn't that America is full of racists and they wanted a racist president. He was out there preaching against the establishment. The same way Bernie Sanders was. Had Bernie been able to run, and not get screwed by Hillary and the DNC, there is a good chance he would have beat Trump. He practically had the same message. Just without all the baggage.
But he wasn't a 3rd party candidate though.
If mitt Romney, or Ted Cruz or whoever else would have ran as the Republican and trump would have ran as a 3rd party candidate then hillary or romney/cruz/whoever would have won.

I stand by what I said. 3rd party won't win the next election no matter what candidates run on what platform.

It will be a Republican or democrat who wins.
 
Fox news follows basic journalistic standards and is held accountable for what they say. They are a legitimate news organization.

This effort to obscure the issue of fake news by calling CNN, NYT, Fox fake news is pretty much what expect from consumers of fake news.
 
Fox news follows basic journalistic standards and is held accountable for what they say. They are a legitimate news organization.

This effort to obscure the issue of fake news by calling CNN, NYT, Fox fake news is pretty much what expect from consumers of fake news.

Truth.

It is also driven by the extremist ideologues of both sides. Whatever they disagree with carries the convenient label of fake news, in whatever guise, and then just dismissed out of hand.
 
Nice thought but it aint gonna happen. Next election either trump or whoever the democrat is will win again. People are too worried about the enemy winning so they feel like they have to vote for their candidate. This country is way to divided by the two party lines for anyone else to have a chance. Its very very unfortunate but its the way it is. This most recent election featured two of the worst candidates possible and was the perfect time for a 3rd party candidate to make some noise. 3rd party candidate won ZERO states. Couldn't even win ONE measley electoral vote in an election perfectly set up for a 3rd party candidate.

You're right of course but I still have hope that after 4 years the general populace will have a much clearer picture of the dangers of 2 party demagoguery and we might have a better chance at bucking the trends. Gotta find hope where you can.
 
You're right of course but I still have hope that after 4 years the general populace will have a much clearer picture of the dangers of 2 party demagoguery and we might have a better chance at bucking the trends. Gotta find hope where you can.

I don't get your religious obsession with the demise of our two party system. I get that that's your thing but I don't see the point in all the rantings I hear. Do you like the unstable British parliamentary system? Do you hate the huge stabilizing influence the US economy has brought to the world because of our neutralizing style of governance? What is it that people hate other than not having some minuscule party of same thinkers to call home dugout?
 
I don't get your religious obsession with the demise of our two party system. I get that that's your thing but I don't see the point in all the rantings I hear. Do you like the unstable British parliamentary system? Do you hate the huge stabilizing influence the US economy has brought to the world because of our neutralizing style of governance? What is it that people hate other than not having some minuscule party of same thinkers to call home dugout?
I think the two party system sucks. Pits Americans against each other causing tons of divisiveness and discourages critical thought when electing our government officials.
 
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I don't get your religious obsession with the demise of our two party system. I get that that's your thing but I don't see the point in all the rantings I hear. Do you like the unstable British parliamentary system? Do you hate the huge stabilizing influence the US economy has brought to the world because of our neutralizing style of governance? What is it that people hate other than not having some minuscule party of same thinkers to call home dugout?

I think the two party system sucks. Pits Americans against each other causing tons of divisiveness and discourages critical thought when electing our government officials.

Largely this. Please expound the virtues of the 2 party system that couldn't be improved upon by the addition of another party. Most Americans are truly centrist but the 2 parties we have are growing more and more extreme in their views, which causes dangerous group think and extreme stances on important topics, such as the economy and distribution of wealth just to name one, that each side pushes on so hard the pendulum can't help but continue to swing further and further apart, and further from the true concerns and solutions the vast majority of the has, needs, and wants. This country had never been more divided and historically third parties have never had a smaller voice. I'm not saying forcing in a third party will automatically fix everything but it is better to have different options and dissenting opinions that can actually be heard and maybe even acted upon rather than the 2 polar bickering groups we have now.
 
Fox news follows basic journalistic standards and is held accountable for what they say. They are a legitimate news organization.

This effort to obscure the issue of fake news by calling CNN, NYT, Fox fake news is pretty much what expect from consumers of fake news.

No. It comes down to what your definition of fake news is. There is obviously different levels of fake news top. Writing complete made BS conpiracy pieces is worse than what CNN and Fox do, but doesnt mean that CNN and Fox are completely truthful either.
 
My current favorite news source ( if you can call it that) is the Jimmy Dore show on Youtube.

Great show. Give it a listen.

The "real" news source I use is MSN. Even though I lnow they just gather fake news,
 
My current favorite news source ( if you can call it that) is the Jimmy Dore show on Youtube.

Great show. Give it a listen.

The "real" news source I use is MSN. Even though I lnow they just gather fake news,

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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