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I feel like the joke is almost over. I think the tide is turning and Trump is a front-running bag of hot air. His shtick isn't going to look good playing from behind.
 
Gameface said:
I feel like the joke is almost over. I think the tide is turning and Trump is a front-running bag of hot air. His shtick isn't going to look good playing from behind.
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I dunno about that. The northeast primaries are in the next 2-3 weeks - NY, CT, DE, MD, PA and RI - about 275 delegates. Right now Cruz is polling garbage in all of them - LOL, I saw this morning he's at about 15% in NY.

Kasich MAY take PA, otherwise I can see Trump winning the others.
 
candrew said:
I dunno about that. The northeast primaries are in the next 2-3 weeks - NY, CT, DE, MD, PA and RI - about 275 delegates. Right now Cruz is polling garbage in all of them - LOL, I saw this morning he's at about 15% in NY.

Kasich MAY take PA, otherwise I can see Trump winning the others.
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Three of the six are proportional states, though, not winner-take-all, aren't they? https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html. And I read this morning that Trump has yet to break 50% in any state so far, even in his biggest victories. So he's going to probably get less than half the delegates from those three states. And two of the three that are winner-take-all have oddities about them that if I understand things correctly make it so that they are not TRULY winner-take-all (like, the winners are assigned at the local level rather than the state level).

So even if Trump wins all those states I doubt he will win the nomination outright.
 
colton said:
Three of the six are proportional states, though, not winner-take-all, aren't they? https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html. And I read this morning that Trump has yet to break 50% in any state so far, even in his biggest victories. So he's going to probably get less than half the delegates from those three states. And two of the three that are winner-take-all have oddities about them that if I understand things correctly make it so that they are not TRULY winner-take-all (like, the winners are assigned at the local level rather than the state level).

So even if Trump wins all those states I doubt he will win the nomination outright.
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Agreed - I think a contested election is almost inevitable at this point.

However, I think there is zero chance of Cruz getting the nomination outright and little chance of him over-taking Trump in the delegate lead.
 
candrew said:
However, I think there is zero chance of Cruz getting the nomination outright and little chance of him over-taking Trump in the delegate lead.
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Agreed.

My crystal ball says that Cruz will get the nomination at the convention after Trump fails to win on the first ballot.
 
colton said:
Three of the six are proportional states, though, not winner-take-all, aren't they? https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html. And I read this morning that Trump has yet to break 50% in any state so far, even in his biggest victories. So he's going to probably get less than half the delegates from those three states. And two of the three that are winner-take-all have oddities about them that if I understand things correctly make it so that they are not TRULY winner-take-all (like, the winners are assigned at the local level rather than the state level).

So even if Trump wins all those states I doubt he will win the nomination outright.
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It's amazing what a messed up system the parties have designed to select their nominees. Different rules in virtually every state, Democratic Super Delegates who can essentially "correct" the vote so that the popular choice gets eliminated, and after all this chaos either party could potentially change their rules just prior to the conventions. I'm becoming a fan of two chaotic brokered conventions. At least the entertainment factor would be high.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Do the Republicans really think Cruz can beat either Hillary or Sanders? Does anyone think that?
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It is kind of funny that the least liked guy in the party is the one who is now supposed to save the election.

Oh yeah, he's the second least liked guy in the party now.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It's amazing what a messed up system the parties have designed to select their nominees. Different rules in virtually every state, Democratic Super Delegates who can essentially "correct" the vote so that the popular choice gets eliminated, and after all this chaos either party could potentially change their rules just prior to the conventions. I'm becoming a fan of two chaotic brokered conventions. At least the entertainment factor would be high.
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So ****ing stupid.
I hate politics. **** like this is why I have never voted before this year.
 
"Super Delegates" lol. What do they also sport a cape and fly around in the convention center?
 
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Achievements in life:

"I became, not an ordinary low class delegate, but a SUPER delegate!!!"

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Jamezz said:
"Super Delegates" lol. What do they also sport a cape and fly around in the convention center?
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You'd think they'd be embarrassed to call a process this blatantly corrupt democratic, but apparently not. Did you hear the audio where Hillary was recently asked if the Super Delegate thing was unfair to Bernie? She said, "No. He knew the rules when he decided to run." I kid you not.

The bottom line is that the Dems have invented a way to avoid the drama of a brokered convention. Hillary is your winner as long as she's not indicted. If she is not indicted it is just further proof that the system is corrupt. If you or I had done what she did our career in government would undoubtedly be history, and rightly so.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The bottom line is that the Dems have invented a way to avoid the drama of a brokered convention. Hillary is your winner as long as she's not indicted. If she is not indicted it is just further proof that the system is corrupt. If you or I had done what she did our career in government would undoubtedly be history, and rightly so.
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Ummm, in regards to a pure democratic process, Hillary has about 2.5 million more votes than Bernie in the all the primaries combined. She has more votes than any candidate in either party and has a wider lead margin than Trump over Cruz.

By candidate (as of 3/19)
Clinton 8,668,136
Trump 7,548,429
Sanders 6,131,951
Cruz 5,484,494
Rubio 3,394,134
Kasich 2,725,327
Carson 677,307
Bush 249,894
O'Malley 94,692

While I agree with you in terms of sentiment regarding superdelegates the cartoon you posted is a complete mis-representation of the facts and you're making it sound like Hillary is stealing the nomination....not true.
 
candrew said:
Ummm, in regards to a pure democratic process, Hillary has about 2.5 million more votes than Bernie in the all the primaries combined. She has more votes than any candidate in either party and has a wider lead margin than Trump over Cruz.

By candidate (as of 3/19)
Clinton 8,668,136
Trump 7,548,429
Sanders 6,131,951
Cruz 5,484,494
Rubio 3,394,134
Kasich 2,725,327
Carson 677,307
Bush 249,894
O'Malley 94,692

While I agree with you in terms of sentiment regarding superdelegates the cartoon you posted is a complete mis-representation of the facts and you're making it sound like Hillary is stealing the nomination....not true.
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Newsflash: Cartoons are rarely an accurate representation of reality. That said, the SuperDelegate thing would not exist if the Dems weren't concerned about the possibility of the vote getting out of their control. The fact that a socialist could even be in the running shows what a deeply flawed candidate that Hillary is. Fortunately for her (and unfortunately for us citizens) she's running against a field of deeply flawed candidates. Our system seems almost as if it has been designed to convince good people not to run.
 
candrew said:
Ummm, in regards to a pure democratic process, Hillary has about 2.5 million more votes than Bernie in the all the primaries combined. She has more votes than any candidate in either party and has a wider lead margin than Trump over Cruz.

By candidate (as of 3/19)
Clinton 8,668,136
Trump 7,548,429
Sanders 6,131,951
Cruz 5,484,494
Rubio 3,394,134
Kasich 2,725,327
Carson 677,307
Bush 249,894
O'Malley 94,692

While I agree with you in terms of sentiment regarding superdelegates the cartoon you posted is a complete mis-representation of the facts and you're making it sound like Hillary is stealing the nomination....not true.
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No... no it's pretty accurate. HRC may or may not have more total votes than Sanders right now. Probably does, given the south(even though you're almost 3 weeks out of date), but we're not talking she has double the super delegate numbers.. or even triple. She has what, 469 super delegates to Sanders' 31?

Removing super delegates(who have not voted yet), you have Hillary with a 1280-1030 advantage in a race to 2383, with almost 2000 more votes to go. That's what... 55/45 split in actual delegates; actual people voting. Where superdelegates are not holden to a base of constituents, it's a 93-7 advantage.

Does that put it in more of a perspective to you?
 
ElRoach0 said:
No... no it's pretty accurate. HRC may or may not have more total votes than Sanders right now. Probably does, given the south(even though you're almost 3 weeks out of date), but we're not talking she has double the super delegate numbers.. or even triple. She has what, 469 super delegates to Sanders' 31?

Removing super delegates(who have not voted yet), you have Hillary with a 1280-1030 advantage in a race to 2383, with almost 2000 more votes to go. That's what... 55/45 split in actual delegates; actual people voting. Where superdelegates are not holden to a base of constituents, it's a 93-7 advantage.

Does that put it in more of a perspective to you?
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If you read my post which you quoted I conceded his point regarding superdelegates - she's still kicking Bernie's ***. And don't forget superdelegates can change their mind at any time - if Sanders keeps gaining momentum and winning primaries, some of them will jump ship.

We heard the same **** in 2008 - all the superdelegates were in The Clinton's pockets. Obama started kicking Hillary's *** in the primaries and then what happened?

BTW, since March 19 Sanders is about plus 16K votes in 6 primaries combined which still puts him 2.5 million behind Clinton.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It's amazing what a messed up system the parties have designed to select their nominees. Different rules in virtually every state, Democratic Super Delegates who can essentially "correct" the vote so that the popular choice gets eliminated, and after all this chaos either party could potentially change their rules just prior to the conventions. I'm becoming a fan of two chaotic brokered conventions. At least the entertainment factor would be high.
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Canada's system is so much simpler. We vote for what's analogous to a member of congress, and the leader of the party with the most elected "members of congress" becomes our prime minister. We currently have elected members of congress from 1) Liberals 2) Conservatives 3) New Democratic Party 4) Bloc Quebecois 5) Green Party, just off the top of my head.
 
candrew said:
If you read my post which you quoted I conceded his point regarding superdelegates - she's still kicking Bernie's ***. And don't forget superdelegates can change their mind at any time - if Sanders keeps gaining momentum and winning primaries, some of them will jump ship.

We heard the same **** in 2008 - all the superdelegates were in The Clinton's pockets. Obama started kicking Hillary's *** in the primaries and then what happened?

BTW, since March 19 Sanders is about plus 16K votes in 6 primaries combined which still puts him 2.5 million behind Clinton.
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who u voting for btw
 
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