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Donovan Mitchell was the ______ best player this season.

Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, Embiid only played 38 NBA games at that point. And yeah, including a rookie was weird. I remember that being a (minor) criticism when I read it.
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That's true, but given he included players who hadn't even stepped foot on an NBA court, it seems odd. If he was 30-50 I would get it, but 68? C'mon man.
 
David Stern said:
Call me crazy, but I think Donovan has had a better season overall than Rudy has. I think Rudy was definitely our best player last year, but I'd give the nod to Donovan this year. That may change long-term, I'm also factoring in injuries.
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I think its a hard call. I can see an argument for both players. Clearly Gobert was our best defensive player but clearly Mitchell was our best offensive player.

Mitchell played really well from December on. Gobert wasnt playing well to start the season as well though. Gobert missed a lot of time which should impact who is the best player on our team as well to me.

Advanced stats lean strongly towards Gobert. Leadership and personality in general lean towards Mitchell for me.
 
Zombie said:
That's true, but given he included players who hadn't even stepped foot on an NBA court, it seems odd. If he was 30-50 I would get it, but 68? C'mon man.
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He put those guys at the very end of the list tho. If he put Embiid top 50 after 38 games it would have been stupid. Honestly, 68 was too high for a pre-season rank for a guy no one thought could stay healthy.

I didnt link the list to critique it with hindsight, just to show how much things have changed.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He put those guys at the very end of the list tho. If he put Embiid top 50 after 38 games it would have been stupid. Honestly, 68 was too high for a pre-season rank for a guy no one thought could stay healthy.

I didnt link the list to critique it with hindsight, just to show how much things have changed.
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You know what, you're right. For some reason I was thinking he had just missed one season and part of last year. Total brain fart on my end.
 
Hollinger's Value Added top 50 rankings include 3 Jazz Players:

38. Gobert
48. Mitchell
50. Favors

VA is very useful for award voting in particular, because it allows us to compare players with disparate production and minutes -- say, one player who was brilliant in 60 games and another who was merely good but played all 82 -- and figure out which performance was more productive... VA = ((Minutes * (PER -- Position Replacement Level)) / 67)
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http://www.espn.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090325


These guys are on the same spot on Estimated Wins Added.

Gobert is the only player on Top 50 at 30th spot on PER.
 
How many players in the NBA would you trade straight up for Mitchell? Like 5 maybe. The fact that he's a rookie and this good already makes me tingle.

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I started thinking about the question....then I decided I don’t care. Donovan’s incredible, I love him, that’s all that matters.
 
Did I hear Locke right the other day when he said that DM had the worst PAC(?) number (measures offensive output above average - I think) on the Jazz - but the BEST defensive rating on the team??
 
nateboz said:
How many players in the NBA would you trade straight up for Mitchell? Like 5 maybe. The fact that he's a rookie and this good already makes me tingle.

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No one. And I'm being completely serious. Sure, you could say LBJ, Giannis, Harden, Steph and several others. And you'd be right. But Donovan means a helluva lot more to Utah than just his raw stats. Mitchell has embraced the team, the fans and the state like no other. Is it an act? Maybe. But it's a great one. Mitchell is an ambassador for the team and the state. That's not something you'd ever trade. Can you imagine the backlash?
 
David Stern said:
Alright I'm bored so here's the players I'd put ahead of him in no particular order:

DeMarr DeRozan
Kyrie Irving
Lebron James
Joel Embiid
Victor Oladipo
Giannis
Bradley Beal
Chris Paul
James Harden
Kevin Durrant
Steph Curry
Damian Lillard
Anthony Davis
LaMarcus Aldridge
Russell Westbrook
Jimmy Butler

So I've got him 17th best. I'd put Rudy probably in the late 20s.
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I guess you can use any criteria you want for 'best player'.

If best player has any links to impact on winning basketball games I think there are a few more people on this list. Mind you, DM's potential to rise up this list is real.


Currently 'better' than Mitchell (no particular order) and in ADDITION to the ones you listed (Minus Beal):

Khawi
Covington
Simmons
Cousins
Draymond
Gobert
Jokic
Lowry
Otto Porter
KAT
Kemba
George (despite crappy latter part of season)
Conley
Jrue
Hayward


I think he is in the same ballpark already as the players listed below - probably have him at the top of this list and projects to be better than all of them within 5 minutes in anycase.

Porzingis (?)
Love
Blake Griffin
Deandre Jordan
Ingles
Klay Thompson
Marc Gasol
Beal
Eric Gordon
Wall
Rubio
Middleton
Van Fleet
Devin Booker
Horford
Olynyk
Garry Harris
Tobias



And ahead of these guys:

Wiggins
Saric
Nurkic
Roberson
Adams
Capela
Dragic
CJ
Jamal Murray
Kuzma
Tatum
Dennis Smith Jnr (easily)
Schroder
Ingram
Randle
Ball
Harrison Barnes
Hood



So all in all I have him at 31.
I found it interesting that on WINS he is ranked 32. And many of the people I had ahead of him were ahead of him on Win Shares. Not sure how great that stat is, but it matched with my 'eye' test and glance at other stats. The only players I had ahead of him that were not ahead of him on WINS were Kyrie and Rudy.

I estimate him to be top 15 within 18 months.
 
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David Stern said:
Call me crazy, but I think Donovan has had a better season overall than Rudy has. I think Rudy was definitely our best player last year, but I'd give the nod to Donovan this year. That may change long-term, I'm also factoring in injuries.
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We started dominating teams when Rudy came back. Rudy has been our most important player this year and it's really not that close.
 
Et tu Brute said:
I guess you can use any criteria you want for 'best player'.

If best player has any links to impact on winning basketball games I think there are a few more people on this list. Mind you, DM's potential to rise up this list is real.


Currently 'better' than Mitchell (no particular order) and in ADDITION to the ones you listed (Minus Beal):

Khawi
Covington
Simmons
Cousins
Draymond
Gobert
Jokic
Lowry
Otto Porter
KAT
Kemba
George (despite crappy latter part of season)
Conley
Jrue
Hayward


I think he is in the same ballpark already as the players listed below - probably have him at the top of this list and projects to be better than all of them within 5 minutes in anycase.

Porzingis (?)
Love
Blake Griffin
Deandre Jordan
Ingles
Klay Thompson
Marc Gasol
Beal
Eric Gordon
Wall
Rubio
Middleton
Van Fleet
Devin Booker
Horford
Olynyk
Garry Harris
Tobias



And ahead of these guys:

Wiggins
Saric
Nurkic
Roberson
Adams
Capela
Dragic
CJ
Jamal Murray
Kuzma
Tatum
Dennis Smith Jnr (easily)
Schroder
Ingram
Randle
Ball
Harrison Barnes
Hood



So all in all I have him at 31.
I found it interesting that on WINS he is ranked 32. And many of the people I had ahead of him were ahead of him on Win Shares. Not sure how great that stat is, but it matched with my 'eye' test and glance at other stats. The only players I had ahead of him that were not ahead of him on WINS were Kyrie and Rudy.

I estimate him to be top 15 within 18 months.
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You included Cousins in your above him because of impact on winning? LOL
 
Jack Strop said:
No one. And I'm being completely serious. Sure, you could say LBJ, Giannis, Harden, Steph and several others. And you'd be right. But Donovan means a helluva lot more to Utah than just his raw stats. Mitchell has embraced the team, the fans and the state like no other. Is it an act? Maybe. But it's a great one. Mitchell is an ambassador for the team and the state. That's not something you'd ever trade. Can you imagine the backlash?
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This. To add to that he’s the best value in the NBA, the absoulte best. But mainly he’s just too good to fans, too perfect for being here. I’m curious to know how many fans would want to trade for Leonard if SA called and offered. I wouldn’t, the kids intangibles are far to valuable to fans and this organization.
 
Siro said:
Around 30-35.
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While im currently doing everything i can to discredit Siro this seems about right, maybe somewhere in the 25 to 35 bracket. Its very hard to look at his season without thinking, wait this kids a rookie!
 
David Stern said:
Call me crazy, but I think Donovan has had a better season overall than Rudy has. I think Rudy was definitely our best player last year, but I'd give the nod to Donovan this year. That may change long-term, I'm also factoring in injuries.
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I will call you crazy. Donovan has been awesome. Rudy? Transcendent.
 
I think somewhere around 30 feels right, but I hope he is around 15 or higher next year. If we were looking at particular stretches this year, he could be anywhere from 50 to top 10, depending on the 10 game stretch. That is awesome. At his worst, he is better than so many players. At his best, he is one of the top players in the league.
 
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