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Donovan Mitchell Would Not Start for Either Finals Team

wackypawn said:
You are right but how is that relevant? The Jazz are not building around Royce, NAW, etc.

When the centerpiece of your potential plan forward is not good enough to start in the Finals, the hard ceiling of your team is a first round exit even if all goes perfect...
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Now you are just making up stuff in order to validate your point. First both Donovan and Rudy are certainly good enough to start in the finals. The ceiling of a finals team is not as high you made out to be. I mean Jae mother ****ing Crowder that your Cy of all people despised so much have started on two Finals teams back to back. Should we trade Donovan for Crowder and build the team around him then?

Second you said this teams hard ceiling is a first round exit even though Donovan had lifted us past the first round against a team of reigning MVP+2 all stars in his rookie season?

And like I said, I'm not asking for perfection. No one is. But when your roster are filled with G league level talent and players that got salary dumped by tanking/non-playoff teams, I'm not sure we are far from coming to a point where we point the fingers to our best players. Sure our best player cannot elevate a group of scrubs into the Conference finals/finals like MVP candidates Luka/Jokic/Harden/Westbrook.(those guys have won 0 rings combined). But Donovan ain't as good as those guys. Literally no one is arguing against that. You are missing the point if you believe Donovan or Rudy not being the best of the best is the main cause for our struggle.
 
LoPo said:
Rudy is an exceptional screener, but Donovan doesn't really use screens to score. He seems to prefer isolation.

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www.nba.com

Rudy Gobert among 10 players leading NBA in screen assists

Take a closer look at the top 10 players in screen assists and the points they create midway through the 2021-22 season.
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"Mitchell ranks second in the league in both points per game (12.9 ppg) and points per possession (1.06 ppp) on pick-and-roll plays among the 84 players with at least 100 pick-and-roll possessions so far this season."

Let me help you with the numbers. Second in the league in points per game on pick and rolls means he actually does use screens to score. Let me know if you need additional help.
 
Hearsky said:
www.nba.com

Rudy Gobert among 10 players leading NBA in screen assists

Take a closer look at the top 10 players in screen assists and the points they create midway through the 2021-22 season.
www.nba.com www.nba.com

"Mitchell ranks second in the league in both points per game (12.9 ppg) and points per possession (1.06 ppp) on pick-and-roll plays among the 84 players with at least 100 pick-and-roll possessions so far this season."

Let me help you with the numbers. Second in the league in points per game on pick and rolls means he actually does use screens to score. Let me know if you need additional help.
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I can’t help you here LoPo anyone with eyes knows Mitchell uses Rudy for screens A LOT.

Even more of a reason to just keep both of them and move some sort of combination of Conley/Royce/Bogey.
 
Hearsky said:
www.nba.com

Rudy Gobert among 10 players leading NBA in screen assists

Take a closer look at the top 10 players in screen assists and the points they create midway through the 2021-22 season.
www.nba.com www.nba.com

"Mitchell ranks second in the league in both points per game (12.9 ppg) and points per possession (1.06 ppp) on pick-and-roll plays among the 84 players with at least 100 pick-and-roll possessions so far this season."

Let me help you with the numbers. Second in the league in points per game on pick and rolls means he actually does use screens to score. Let me know if you need additional help.
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I just don’t know if people actually watch the games anymore. It’s one of the most efficient effective actions in the nba and both guys benefit from it tremendously… as well as the others around them. We have needed better counters for teams that are great at switching and have the right personnel…

We get ourselves in trouble when there is too much isolation… why would we willingly sign up for more… so we can have a few extra awesome highlights?
 
Elizah Huge said:
I can’t help you here LoPo anyone with eyes knows Mitchell uses Rudy for screens A LOT.

Even more of a reason to just keep both of them and move some sort of combination of Conley/Royce/Bogey.
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I don't necessarily disagree about keeping them both, but I also don't think trading this combination is going to net us a return that moves the needle at all.
 
Jingled said:

I don't necessarily disagree about keeping them both, but I also don't think trading this combination is going to net us a return that moves the needle at all.
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They’re our only players outside of Donovan and Rudy of real value that can get players who will make a difference. Clarkson potentially could as well.
 
Elizah Huge said:
They’re our only players outside of Donovan and Rudy of real value that can get players who will make a difference. Clarkson potentially could as well.
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I just don't think anyone outside of Don and Rudy has great trade value. The front office would probably prefer to keep both Donovan and Rudy but I think they may end up having to trade Rudy because they won't be able to get a good enough return for Bogey, Mike, Royce and JC to really improve the roster.
 
Jingled said:
I just don't think anyone outside of Don and Rudy has great trade value. The front office would probably prefer to keep both Donovan and Rudy but I think they may end up having to trade Rudy because they won't be able to get a good enough return for Bogey, Mike, Royce and JC to really improve the roster.
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All those dudes got trade value, it's just not for starter level 2-way defensive wings like everyone wants.
 
Hearsky said:
Part of DM's success is the incredible screens Rudy sets. I don't think people appreciate how great of a screen setter Rudy is.
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Just looking at the official Screen Assist stats, they've only been tracking that for 6 years. Rudy has lead the league 3 of those 6 times, and come in 2nd 3 time. That's beyond insane.
 
Literally the only player it wouldn't be insane but questionable to do would be Smart, and *for Boston's roster* I'd take Smart. He's a better play maker and DPOY.
 
I do not agree with the value of our team. Mike, Bogey, Clarkson have value and if we trade smart, we may have a very good team this year.
 
Hearsky said:
You gonna double down on this statement?
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My statement was off.

Yall say that Rudy is an amazing screen setter and Donovan should be so grateful for those screens.

I know screening is important, but I also think Donovan does a lot without screens. Regardless, he doesn't need Rudy to set his screens. Literally anybody can.

Just watch our elimination game 6. Literally one time does he do anything because of a Rudy screen. House and Royce do more.



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LoPo said:
My statement was off.

Yall say that Rudy is an amazing screen setter and Donovan should be so grateful for those screens.

I know screening is important, but I also think Donovan does a lot without screens. Regardless, he doesn't need Rudy to set his screens. Literally anybody can.

Just watch our elimination game 6. Literally one time does he do anything because of a Rudy screen. House and Royce do more.



View: https://youtu.be/6v53oT82psw



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Lol. You did double down. You can't make this **** up.
 
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