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Donovan should temporarily change his number in remembrance of George Floyd

Thee jazz fan said:
It’s almost like you don’t realize the social injustices that go on around you
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Thee jazz fan said:
Is it possible to be ignorant and an idiot?
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Really surprised at this reaction and I am confused. What about my statement is ignorant?
Do you not believe civil rights are for everyone, or do you not believe that protecting the rights and dignities of a particular group is beneficial to all? Is it maybe that you don't believe we should be working to include all groups, even if they are not currently oppressed, to fight injustices?
Seriously... I don't get what is wrong with my statement. Did you possibly misunderstand?
 
gandalfe said:
It sounds like if you were a player, you'd get your *** kicked.
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I 100% disagree. See the questions I asked Thee above and tell me what is wrong with my statement.
I think there is a good chance you are confusing what I said with an "all lives matter" statement. What I am saying is that everyone needs to be actively involved in the civil rights movement. It is not enough to simply not be racist, you need to be part of the solution. I am also saying that eliminating the social injustices faced by oppressed minorities is for the benefit of all. In other words, I as a white male would be better off if there was not discrimination against blacks (i.e., it is not something i should just ignore).
 
checkbookdoc said:
Really surprised at this reaction and I am confused. What about my statement is ignorant?
Do you not believe civil rights are for everyone, or do you not believe that protecting the rights and dignities of a particular group is beneficial to all? Is it maybe that you don't believe we should be working to include all groups, even if they are not currently oppressed, to fight injustices?
Seriously... I don't get what is wrong with my statement. Did you possibly misunderstand?
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Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Or are you just oblivious to what’s going on around you?
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Or are you just oblivious to what’s going on around you?
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Let's say that I am ignorant and oblivious, are you just going to throw stones and criticize? Or, are you going to engage in educative and productive conversation to actually make a difference? Just throwing stones at people who are ignorant does not make you part of the solution.

I think there is nothing wrong with what I said, that you and gandolfe just misunderstood. So, read back through what I wrote and my clarifying statements to you and gandolfe and then answer my questions. If you continue to have an issue with my stated beliefs, engage me in useful discussion (unless you are just interested in virtue signaling rather than making a difference).

I am sincere. Answer the questions.
 
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checkbookdoc said:
Really surprised at this reaction and I am confused. What about my statement is ignorant?
Do you not believe civil rights are for everyone, or do you not believe that protecting the rights and dignities of a particular group is beneficial to all? Is it maybe that you don't believe we should be working to include all groups, even if they are not currently oppressed, to fight injustices?
Seriously... I don't get what is wrong with my statement. Did you possibly misunderstand?

I am sincere. Answer the questions.
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If you still don’t get it at this point I’m not sure how to help you understand.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
If you still don’t get it at this point I’m not sure how to help you understand.
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How about by answering my questions about why what I said was wrong!
As far as I am concerned your failure to try and explain your initial attack means that either: 1) you have realized you misunderstood my earlier statement and don't want to acknowledge and apologize, or 2) you do think I am ignorant but are more concerned with signaling your virtue and shaming mine than you are with actually being part of the solution.
 
checkbookdoc said:
How about by answering my questions about why what I said was wrong!
As far as I am concerned your failure to try and explain your initial attack means that either: 1) you have realized you misunderstood my earlier statement and don't want to acknowledge and apologize, or 2) you do think I am ignorant but are more concerned with signaling your virtue and shaming mine than you are with actually being part of the solution.
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How am I supposed to answer? You don’t want to see the problem in your statement. It’s all here all over jazzfanz. It’s a simple message.
 
checkbookdoc said:
How about by answering my questions about why what I said was wrong!
As far as I am concerned your failure to try and explain your initial attack means that either: 1) you have realized you misunderstood my earlier statement and don't want to acknowledge and apologize, or 2) you do think I am ignorant but are more concerned with signaling your virtue and shaming mine than you are with actually being part of the solution.
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Just... dude. Read the room.
 
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Source: NBA, union agree to jersey messages

NBA players were made aware of a list of social messages that can be displayed above the number on the back of jerseys when the league resumes play July 30, a source told The Undefeated.
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The list of the approved suggested social messages, per the source, for the back of the NBA jerseys: Black Lives Matter; Say Their Names; Vote; I Can't Breathe; Justice; Peace; Equality; Freedom; Enough; Power to the People; Justice Now; Say Her Name; Sí Se Puede (Yes We Can); Liberation; See Us; Hear Us; Respect Us; Love Us; Listen; Listen to Us; Stand Up; Ally; Anti-Racist; I Am A Man; Speak Up; How Many More; Group Economics; Education Reform; and Mentor.
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checkbookdoc said:
Let's say that I am ignorant and oblivious, are you just going to throw stones and criticize? Or, are you going to engage in educative and productive conversation to actually make a difference? Just throwing stones at people who are ignorant does not make you part of the solution.

I think there is nothing wrong with what I said, that you and gandolfe just misunderstood. So, read back through what I wrote and my clarifying statements to you and gandolfe and then answer my questions. If you continue to have an issue with my stated beliefs, engage me in useful discussion (unless you are just interested in virtue signaling rather than making a difference).

I am sincere. Answer the questions.
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fishonjazz said:
Many of those people are on the right. Just don't like trump

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Conditioned to not like Trump.
 
DasJazz said:
Conditioned to not like Trump.
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Well ya. I have been conditioned all my life to not like bullies, jerks, douchebags, liars, cheaters, etc. I was taught right from wrong at an early age by my parents. Trump is wrong. I'm going to try to teach my daughter to not like the people with those characteristics as well. So I agree. I hated trump long before he was the president btw. He was a piece of **** before he was president (you probably even thought this about him before he became a republican politician, though you would never admit it, but changed your thoughts on him cause you do what your party wants) and he still is.
If trump was the exact same except he was a Democratic president then you would hate him.

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DasJazz said:
Conditioned to not like Trump.
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What's there to like? Guy is just plain stupid and proved it multiple times by contradicting himself and telling complete nonsense or lies. On top of that he is arrogant and rude and doesn't even try to conceal that he only cares about his own interests. I don't care what party he represents.
 
You know, if all these bad guys fully accept Jesus, then others will be free. It's ironic, we are fooled thinking we are free when in fact we are in a prison of our our sins. I think this nation needs a deep love for God to ensure fairness for all.
 
Seems Trump supporters will agree with whatever he says. Wonder what they thought when he said they were looking into injecting disinfectants into our bodies to fight Covid 19. ROTFL
 
Probably my favorite Trump quote. Remember having an argument with my dad who is a trump supporter. When I brought that up it shut him up quick. For anyone with the comeback that he was joking... no he wasn’t. I saw the entire clip. It also caused a spokes person for Lysol to leave a statement saying not to ingest the product, that it was harmful to their bodies LOL. Thanks trump.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Seems Trump supporters will agree with whatever he says. Wonder what they thought when he said they were looking into injecting disinfectants into our bodies to fight Covid 19. ROTFL
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Don't get em started. Trumpers have all kinds of justifications for him saying that.

Truth is that Trump is an idiot

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