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Sorry for the huge post… but you cannot properly address this using one-liners.

This is my take, and my 2 cents, so take it or leave it... doesn't matter much.

Our preference is shown in all of the little choices we make every day. It is based on what is in our thoughts, which is a choice, and is visible, by our outward actions based on those thoughts. Sexual preference is just that, a preference.

Consider the following example.

As a child I choose to play Mario Brothers and think it’s fun. When I go to bed that night, it is all I can think about. I go to school the next day, and talk to my friends about it, and think about it all during school. I am excited to get home and play it again. I get home… my parent forces me to do my homework first… but I don’t do a good job because I am having a hard time focusing. When I do enough to get by, I begin to play the game again, and learn new things, and pass new levels… and get a feeling of accomplishment. I make this a routine, and when I finish the game, I get another game, and continue with the same routine. I get used to playing all day when home from school, and I also get used to going through games faster. I play multi-player games with my friends… every joke is centered in the games we play. It is a part of me now, everything in life revolves around my being a “gamer”. I grow up, and get a job… but it is hard because instead of working hard…. I just want the time to be over so I can get home and play the new game I got. I just want the week to go by so I can get a paycheck and buy that new game I want. It is a way of life.
Do I know when I chose to be a “gamer”? Maybe I was just born that way, and it is genetic. Or… maybe it is rooted in every single small thought and decision I made in life that leads up to me being a “gamer”.

How do you stop being a gamer? Anyone on this board ever try to root something out of you that you have held onto so long it seems to be a part of you? Being a gamer is a “preference”…. But it’s easy to stop being a gamer right? Just ask anyone. Actually it is just like any “addiction”, or habit you ingrain into your life. The same amount of work it took to make it part of you, will be required to take it out of you, and it may take quite a while.

Could I stop being a “gamer”, if I didn’t want to? Nope.

What’s the point of this? Sexual preference is just that, a preference. It is a collection of thoughts and actions that we choose to make or have. Can you point to the one thought, or the one action and say… this is when I decided to be straight? Probably not because it is a collection of smaller thoughts and actions.

Personally, and scientifically, it just makes sense to have sexual intercourse with women instead of men. For me there is a faith based portion, but there is also just a logical portion to my choice. Men and Women have different parts. When those parts come together in a certain way, they are able to create another person. There is one main purpose of a colon, which is to allow, or push, the waste out of the body. So throw out my belief in God, and that I believe there is a purpose and reason to who we are and how we were “created”……Scientifically what would be the purpose of 2 men or 2 women coming together using procreative, or even non-procreative organs?

I don’t hate people, let alone people who choose these actions.

I also don’t pretend catering to people who choose these actions has no effect on society, my family, or me. I can without hate; stand up for what I believe is right, and best for Society, for my Country, for my Family, and for me. It is not ignorance; it is a choice of mine to say I can respect you as a living, breathing, person….. while at the same time saying I do not agree with your choices, your thoughts, or your actions and find them detrimental to society.
 
...I also don’t pretend catering to people who choose these actions has no effect on society, my family, or me. I can without hate; stand up for what I believe is right, and best for Society, for my Country, for my Family, and for me. It is not ignorance; it is a choice of mine to say I can respect you as a living, breathing, person….. while at the same time saying I do not agree with your choices, your thoughts, or your actions and find them detrimental to society.
So when a dude puts his dick in a chick's ***, society crumbles?
 
So when a dude puts his dick in a chick's ***, society crumbles?

It's a start in that direction. Multiply that same garbage millions of times, yes I believe it not only does not help our Society, but it hurts. Obviously you dont think so.... but that's my take.
 
I'm just trying to understand how that long *** post couldn't be summed up as "I hate **** because God told me they're bad".
 
It's a start in that direction. Multiply that same garbage millions of times, yes I believe it not only does not help our Society, but it hurts. Obviously you dont think so.... but that's my take.
So hummers are a no go, too?
 
It's a start in that direction. Multiply that same garbage millions of times, yes I believe it not only does not help our Society, but it hurts. Obviously you dont think so.... but that's my take.

I see... what you did... thar.
 
So, where is your line? Animals, or are they ok for you too? Office Supplies? Plants?
Do you have a line or is it just "what makes me feel good for a second"?
I'd say consent counts. I don't see any harm in someone ****ing a desk, a stapler, a thorny rose bush if it suits their fancy.
 
I'd say consent counts. I don't see any harm in someone ****ing a desk, a stapler, a thorny rose bush if it suits their fancy.

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Um, I believe, umm, you took my stapler...
 
Millions of heterosexual people go to work each day with members of the opposite sex, and yet you don't find an on-going orgy in cubicles across the nation.

They do their job and then hook up at the bar or motel room by the hour after work.
 
Somebody help me out on this: I'm reading that like homosexuality, being a pedephile is not a choice. 60 years ago, blacks were fighting for the right to serve in a segregation-free military and current day has seen the homosexuals go through the same thing. 60 years from now is the next logical step in the PC movement going to be complete and total acceptance for Pedephiles because it's not a lifestyle choice?

The reasons for denying black people the freedom to serve in the military were not valid. It was based on racial prejudice that had nothing to do with facts. Becuase it was a flawed policy it was eventually changed.

The reasons for denying homosexuals the right tio serve (then eventually only denying them the right to serve openly) were not valid. It is based on prejudice and religious ideology. Our laws and military policies are not based on Christian scriptures. Our laws are formed to protect the rights of individuals. To protect one person from harming another. Our military policies are geared towards creating an effective fighting force. DADT accomplished nothing. It protected no one. Therefore it is a flawed policy that has been eliminated.

This is very different than pedophillia. In order to prectice pedophillia you must commit rape. Just as mentally ill people are not allowed to harm others, even though we do not consider it their fault that they might try, we will never allow pedophiles to rape children just because it "isn't their fault." We might eventually send them somewhere other than prison, but we will not tolerate thier actions.

There is no logical progression from allowing blacks in the military to allowing gays to allowing pedophiles. We did not go from being morally correct, to being less so, to being even less so with the next stop being completely immoral. That is not what is happening here.
 
I'd say consent counts. I don't see any harm in someone ****ing a desk, a stapler, a thorny rose bush if it suits their fancy.

I didn't say you couldn't at any point. It's just interesting what people think is ok, and how it is rationalized.
You can do it..... but that doesn't mean it is natural, or that it does not effect people around you.

Thanks for your input. (no pun intended)
 
I'm just trying to understand how that long *** post couldn't be summed up as "I hate **** because God told me they're bad".

Your summation skills are jaundiced. Let me help. Spazz disagrees with turning society on its head to satisfy the needs of a relativley small portion of the population based on nothing more than who they are sexually attracted to.
 
I didn't say you couldn't at any point. It's just interesting what people think is ok, and how it is rationalized.
You can do it..... but that doesn't mean it is natural, or that it does not effect people around you.

Thanks for your input. (no pun intended)

Let's run this again. Consent is the issue here. Animals cannot consent to sexual activity with humans. Children cannot consent to sexual activity with adults. That is why it is bad, because you have to exert force on another being in order to have sex. That's sound reasoning, not rationalization.
 
I didn't say you couldn't at any point. It's just interesting what people think is ok, and how it is rationalized.
You can do it..... but that doesn't mean it is natural, or that it does not effect people around you.

Remind me to never borrow GVC's stapler... or anything else he owns for that matter.
 
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