Draft Knight=change offense+lots of Hayward

[The Thriller]

I want to know why we need a PG at 3?

It's not like we have 2 crappy players at the point (Devin and Earl). And it's not like Irving or Knight is going to be Drose or CP3.

So why waste a #3 draft pick on someone that might be... Oh I dunno.. Ray Felton or Jason Terry? Guys that are typically drafted in the 10-20 range? Guys that are nice role players but aren't really good starting PGs in this league?

Why waste the 2nd highest draft pick we've ever had on a guy whose ceiling is to be a decent role player?

Folks, lets either trade down or draft a player who at least has the potential to be a franchise player. Because last I checked, we traded away our franchise shortly after Jerry Sloan stepped down.

 

[The Thriller]

We're going to be in the lottery for some time if Hayward is our #1 playmaker.

In fact, we're never getting out of it if that's the case.

Lets use Harris. We can trade him before the trade deadline. Or we can just use him and draft a better PG prospect in next years draft. None of the points this year are franchise PGs anyway.

 

[Beantown]

I want to know why we need a PG at 3?

It's not like we have 2 crappy players at the point (Devin and Earl). And it's not like Irving or Knight is going to be Drose or CP3.

So why waste a #3 draft pick on someone that might be... Oh I dunno.. Ray Felton or Jason Terry? Guys that are typically drafted in the 10-20 range? Guys that are nice role players but aren't really good starting PGs in this league?

Why waste the 2nd highest draft pick we've ever had on a guy whose ceiling is to be a decent role player?

Folks, lets either trade down or draft a player who at least has the potential to be a franchise player. Because last I checked, we traded away our franchise shortly after Jerry Sloan stepped down.

I agree, draft Rivers next year.

 

[billyshelby]

I'm a Kanter fan, but it is pretty ridiculous to base a player off of one game, especially an all-star game. Just sayin....

This is exactly the Kanter conundrum. He might be fantastic. But there's no tape on the guy. He's like an old school straight out of high school pick, but he only played his junior year of high school. Liking Kanter is pure faith. The Hoop Summit and the 16 year old Turkish Warrior stuff gives me next to zero read. I can get behind the pick just as easily as not care about passing on him.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I want to know why we need a PG at 3?

It's not like we have 2 crappy players at the point (Devin and Earl). And it's not like Irving or Knight is going to be Drose or CP3.

So why waste a #3 draft pick on someone that might be... Oh I dunno.. Ray Felton or Jason Terry? Guys that are typically drafted in the 10-20 range? Guys that are nice role players but aren't really good starting PGs in this league?

Why waste the 2nd highest draft pick we've ever had on a guy whose ceiling is to be a decent role player?

Folks, lets either trade down or draft a player who at least has the potential to be a franchise player. Because last I checked, we traded away our franchise shortly after Jerry Sloan stepped down.

Jason Terry is far more than a role player. He's probably the #2 person on the Mavericks (I rate him ahead of Kidd) and a hell of a player. I'd love to have Terry on the Jazz. Probably not a #3 pick quality, but easily a lottery quality player, I think.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I want to know why we need a PG at 3?

It's not like we have 2 crappy players at the point (Devin and Earl). And it's not like Irving or Knight is going to be Drose or CP3.

So why waste a #3 draft pick on someone that might be... Oh I dunno.. Ray Felton or Jason Terry? Guys that are typically drafted in the 10-20 range? Guys that are nice role players but aren't really good starting PGs in this league?

Why waste the 2nd highest draft pick we've ever had on a guy whose ceiling is to be a decent role player?

Folks, lets either trade down or draft a player who at least has the potential to be a franchise player. Because last I checked, we traded away our franchise shortly after Jerry Sloan stepped down.

We're going to be in the lottery for some time if Hayward is our #1 playmaker.

In fact, we're never getting out of it if that's the case.

Lets use Harris. We can trade him before the trade deadline. Or we can just use him and draft a better PG prospect in next years draft. None of the points this year are franchise PGs anyway.

Agree for me I will be happy with Williams or Kanter

 

[The Thriller]

Jason Terry is far more than a role player. He's probably the #2 person on the Mavericks (I rate him ahead of Kidd) and a hell of a player. I'd love to have Terry on the Jazz. Probably not a #3 pick quality, but easily a lottery quality player, I think.

Because of his role.

Jason Terry playing the point instead of Kidd would have left Dallas struggling to get out of the first round. There's a reason why he has been a SG throughout most of his career.

HOF Kidd, though stats lower and maybe not as "cute" as Terry, has very quietly instilled a level of toughness into this Mavs team. He also doesn't let shots get in the way. He gets the ball to the shooters (to players like Dirk and Terry). Quietly yet powerfully, just like the Olympic team, Kidd's influenced his team for the better like no other PG this side of Stockton/Nash can. He gets the rebound, takes a few dribbles, and gets it to where it needs to go.

Make no mistake, the Jazz could use some good shooters and scorers right now. Jason Terry would be a very nice addition. But not at #3. We shouldn't use the #3 pick in the draft to get a 6'3" SG who sorta kinda sometimes can play point guard. Someone whom should have the goal of being Jason Terry. No way. That's not what the #3 pick is used for folks.

We need a franchise type player here. Williams or Kanter. If neither fit that description, then it's time to unload this pick and get the role players that are typically available between 10-25 (which is where Jason Terry was drafted. and where Knight's true value is. Like it or not, #3 for Knight is waaaaaaayyyy too high). If they fail or just amount to being 'average' then we have nothing to be upset with. But taking the #3 pick for an average player is one pathetic way of using such a high pick.

I can't say this enough, you don't use the #3 pick for a role player.

to me, it's either Dwill, Kanter, or unload this pick.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Because of his role.

Jason Terry playing the point instead of Kidd would have left Dallas struggling to get out of the first round. There's a reason why he has been a SG throughout most of his career.

HOF Kidd, though stats lower and maybe not as "cute" as Terry, has very quietly instilled a level of toughness into this Mavs team. He also doesn't let shots get in the way. He gets the ball to the shooters (to players like Dirk and Terry). Quietly yet powerfully, just like the Olympic team, Kidd's influenced his team for the better like no other PG this side of Stockton/Nash can. He gets the rebound, takes a few dribbles, and gets it to where it needs to go.

Make no mistake, the Jazz could use some good shooters and scorers right now. Jason Terry would be a very nice addition. But not at #3. We shouldn't use the #3 pick in the draft to get a 6'3" SG who sorta kinda sometimes can play point guard. Someone whom should have the goal of being Jason Terry. No way. That's not what the #3 pick is used for folks.

We need a franchise type player here. Williams or Kanter. If neither fit that description, then it's time to unload this pick and get the role players that are typically available between 10-25 (which is where Jason Terry was drafted. and where Knight's true value is. Like it or not, #3 for Knight is waaaaaaayyyy too high). If they fail or just amount to being 'average' then we have nothing to be upset with. But taking the #3 pick for an average player is one pathetic way of using such a high pick.

I can't say this enough, you don't use the #3 pick for a role player.

to me, it's either Dwill, Kanter, or unload this pick.

I agree for the most part. I would only add that with Kidd at the point and no Terry playing SG would also have left Dallas struggling to get out of the first round. Terry is NOT a role player but is a critical cog from the Mavericks. I never claimed he was a PG. Nor do I think he's an 'average player.' I also stated, did I not, that he probably wasn't #3 worthy??

But I find nothing else to disagree with you about. With the #3 pick, it HAS to be a starter and a major part of the future core. Also it CANNOT be a project. It needs to be someone who will immediately move into heavy rotation minutes. I'm personally on the Williams bandwagon. Not only do I think he's BPA (assuming Irving is gone), but he also fills a need (I am confident he'll slip comfortably into the SF role). If Williams is gone, I'm not sold on Kanter, but neither am I sold on Knight. Nor do I see anyone else I think is worth the #3 pick. But definitely not Biyombo (sic) or the other Euro bigs, all of whom I think are too risky for the #3 pick.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is exactly the Kanter conundrum. He might be fantastic. But there's no tape on the guy. He's like an old school straight out of high school pick, but he only played his junior year of high school. Liking Kanter is pure faith. The Hoop Summit and the 16 year old Turkish Warrior stuff gives me next to zero read. I can get behind the pick just as easily as not care about passing on him.

It's kind of like when the High School era was happening and The McDonald's All American game really boosted some peoples draft stock.

 

[Shad]

Kanter will = Darko 2.0

 

[Dr. Jones]

u will/do = dog ship

 

[Jazz4ever]

This is exactly the Kanter conundrum. He might be fantastic. But there's no tape on the guy. He's like an old school straight out of high school pick, but he only played his junior year of high school. Liking Kanter is pure faith. The Hoop Summit and the 16 year old Turkish Warrior stuff gives me next to zero read. I can get behind the pick just as easily as not care about passing on him.

You do realize if he played and put up Cousins like numbers from last year he would be going first right? This could be a blessing in disguise, a chance to get a franchise player. I'm not saying he isn't a slight gamble, but most indications are extremely positive, yet you and a few others look for nothing but negative aspects of him. We are looking for that franchise player. We NEED that franchise player. Too early to tell with Favors. Unless Knight makes miraculous improvements he certainly isn't it, why not gamble a little?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

From watching Knight he is just not the type of PG thsy should dominate the offense/ball and be the one setting up plays. Too many turnovers and doesnt have the athleticism to break down an offense and finish at the rim.

But Knight could still work with the Jazz...

See I believe Knight would best fit with a team like the Lakers, Sacremento, Clippers, etc. Basically where a teams offense runs through the SG. Towards the end of the season Hayward showed his great skills at passing and setting up his teammates. From watching Knight I believe Hayward is a superior playmaker and passer.

So if the majority of the offense ran through Hayward and our post players Knight really could be a great fit. He will spread the floor with his shooting and defend well.

But if the Jazz plan on running the Jazz system of old with a PG dominated offense then Knight should not be the future PG.

That's a fair, if not good, basic assessment I think. Maybe, a couple years from now, as Knight develops, he could average something like 7.5 assists per game while Hayward has around 5.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

You do realize if he played and put up Cousins like numbers from last year he would be going first right? This could be a blessing in disguise, a chance to get a franchise player. I'm not saying he isn't a slight gamble, but most indications are extremely positive, yet you and a few others look for nothing but negative aspects of him. We are looking for that franchise player. We NEED that franchise player. Too early to tell with Favors. Unless Knight makes miraculous improvements he certainly isn't it, why not gamble a little?

Billy's not being negative like some other posters, he's being objective. I want Kanter but Billy's right when it comes down to it. While I'm on Kanter too, I do have a concern that he almost never gets the rebound and finishes with a dunk. That said, he does like contact, have some solid dunks in some highlights and supposeduly is in way better shape than froma year and a half ago which can only help his explosiveness.

 

[Ben10]

We're going to be in the lottery for some time if Hayward is our #1 playmaker.

In fact, we're never getting out of it if that's the case.

Lets use Harris. We can trade him before the trade deadline. Or we can just use him and draft a better PG prospect in next years draft. None of the points this year are franchise PGs anyway.

While I agree with your concept here Thriller I have yet to see a PG projected in next years draft that well be even close to Irving or Knight right now. Right now this draft has better PG's. This next year stuff doesn't fly for me. I do agree #3 is to high for night. But Who is better coming out next year. (and Rivers doesn't count he is not a PG, He is a SG.)

 

[The Thriller]

While I agree with your concept here Thriller I have yet to see a PG projected in next years draft that well be even close to Irving or Knight right now. Right now this draft has better PG's. This next year stuff doesn't fly for me. I do agree #3 is to high for night. But Who is better coming out next year. (and Rivers doesn't count he is not a PG, He is a SG.)

Lets let history be our guide.

Every year produces a number of good PGs. A few years ago Dwill and CP3 were supposedly the top young PGs in the league. Today? Westbrook and Rose. Tomorrow? Perhaps Wall and Ty Lawson. Or Steph Curry. We don't know.

But one thing is certain, good point guards can be found in nearly every draft at any point in the draft.

Good bigs? Historically, very difficult to find outside of the top 10.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lets let history be our guide.

Every year produces a number of good PGs. A few years ago Dwill and CP3 were supposedly the top young PGs in the league. Today? Westbrook and Rose. Tomorrow? Perhaps Wall and Ty Lawson. Or Steph Curry. We don't know.

But one thing is certain, good point guards can be found in nearly every draft at any point in the draft.

Good bigs? Historically, very difficult to find outside of the top 10.

Not really. Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Roy Hibbert, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, David Lee, Perkins,etc.

 

[Ben10]

Lets let history be our guide.

Every year produces a number of good PGs. A few years ago Dwill and CP3 were supposedly the top young PGs in the league. Today? Westbrook and Rose. Tomorrow? Perhaps Wall and Ty Lawson. Or Steph Curry. We don't know.

But one thing is certain, good point guards can be found in nearly every draft at any point in the draft.

Good bigs? Historically, very difficult to find outside of the top 10.

Not every year. I can see 3-4 years in the last ten that haven't produced a good PG. Looking at next year What I see is a lot of good wing player and quite a few good bigs.

Not that I am disagreeing with you on the concept here. If Kanter and D-Will are on the board we have to take one of them at 3. But if it comes down to Irving or Knight at #3 this year are you going to pass on both of them just because they play PG? They well be BPA at the time in that case. I just think that to not draft a player due to him being a PG should not be a factor if you think he is the better player.

 

[billyshelby]

You do realize if he played and put up Cousins like numbers from last year he would be going first right? This could be a blessing in disguise, a chance to get a franchise player. I'm not saying he isn't a slight gamble, but most indications are extremely positive, yet you and a few others look for nothing but negative aspects of him. We are looking for that franchise player. We NEED that franchise player. Too early to tell with Favors. Unless Knight makes miraculous improvements he certainly isn't it, why not gamble a little?

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not for or against Kanter. I'm saying that, as a fan, it's impossible to have any read on him. Even the straight out of high school guys had more legit tape. I'll have no problem getting excited about Kanter if we draft him. But I can't get excited about him before the draft because there's nothing to look at besides him dunking over traffic cones and making a 3 in an empty gym. The Hoop Summit is good, but still one game more than a year ago.

 

[The Thriller]

Not really. Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Roy Hibbert, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, David Lee, Perkins,etc.

Boozer sucks. Product of Jerry Sloan's system of getting him the ball on the elbow, letting him make a living shooting jumpers, and having the most versatile center in the league by his side. It also helped that he had a franchise PG to create for him. Put him in cleveland and Chicago, and he's nothing more than a decent role player. If that. I think Boozer is quickly making the case that he cannot be a starter in this league. He's too much of a liability both offensively and defensively. Offensively, he cannot score inside. He's too short and soft. Defensively... LOL...

Millsap is ok. But far from a franchise type guy. Without the Jazz's system, he'd be more like Udonis Haslem.

Hibbert is a stiff. Not even close to a top center

Al Jefferson is a loser. Anything but a franchise player.

J-smooth is ok. I don't really consider him a big man.

David Lee is a garbage player who has yet to have a winning season.

Perkins is a joke. A glorified and more serious Fess.

None of these are franchise players. Which is the point I'm getting at. We're talking about franchise potential bigs. The Jazz have one, and it isn't Fess, Memo, Al, or Millsap... He was taken in the top 3 last year. Had he stayed in college, he'd easily be the #1 this year.